ok doser
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have you ever heard Shel's sequel "Father of a boy named sue"?
Is White Privilege Real?
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have you ever heard Shel's sequel "Father of a boy named sue"?
glassjester
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Nope, didn't know it existed until now.
Listening to it now.
Yikes. Bit of a surprise ending, there.
glassjester
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You know the father named his son Sue because he knew he wouldn't be there for him, and wanted him to get tough.
I wonder how that particular motivation might relate to so-called "black names."
I wonder how that particular motivation might relate to so-called "black names."
ok doser
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yeah, shel was pretty twisted
iirc, they occurred about the same time as black nationalism started, the back to africa movement and a whole bunch of other nonsense
it boggles me that tards like town think it unfair that those saddled with names intended to emphasize their differentness should be treated differently
glassjester
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Well it is unfair, in that the individual didn't choose his name.
ok doser
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one chooses which name they use
for example, if I were saddled with "Shamiqua", I could choose to legally change it to something more mainstream, or I could choose to identify myself as something else - even "Shami" would be an improvement
I have a couple of friends who don't like their first names and go by their middle names - very few people outside their families know what their real names are
likewise, if i was saddled with "adolf hitler" by my neo-nazi parents and I wanted to go mainstream, i wouldn't expect society to ignore my name - i'd change it
How you don't have a POTY by now is anyone's guess.
No glass, what's unfair is discriminating against someone because their name doesn't evoke a sense of someone who looks like you, not that you didn't get to choose your name. What's sad is that bigots are so empowered that someone would have to consider their name to appease the impulse.
Yolanda might not stir the same sense of ease in some as Elizabeth, but that internal issue shouldn't be Yolanda's problem. It's the problem of the person with the irrational bias.
ok doser
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typical of town clown, to make a claim he can't support :chuckle:
glassjester
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Is it a rational bias, then?
ok doser
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yep - as laid out here: http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ivilege-Real&p=4940316&viewfull=1#post4940316
glassjester
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I never argued that it's fair to discriminate based on someone's name. I don't think it is fair to do that.
But there's been no reason presented (so far) to suggest that name discrimination doesn't happen against "white names," too.
glassjester
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No, it isn't.
ok doser
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i'd disagree
i'd argue that choosing to retain that name and use it is indicative of a psychology/personality i would rather avoid
same as with other names that are indicative of ignorance or a lack of education, like bubba or shaniqua
glassjester
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But you wouldn't know if you were right until you at least met and spoke a little with the person, right?
ok doser
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right, but if i'm winnowing through 700 job applications for one job, all other things being equal, "adolf hitler johnson" goes in the circular file
glassjester
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Sure. Except in social psychology experiments, though, all other things will pretty much never be equal.
How much better would Adolf Hitler Johnson have to be than John Smith to get an interview?
But you're still putting in a little distance, a little sanitation, gj. People aren't responding to an inherent problem with phonemes, they're responding to the inference of them in relation to the race or ethnicity of the person. And that's worse than unfair, it's illegal.
I didn't think you did. But the point isn't how either of us feel about it, but what people have and continue to do about it.
Then you're just not paying attention. All the data comes back that white names get more attention and callbacks, to name one. Look up cases and investigations involving housing stings relating to equal housing provisions. Look at the data the employer friendly EEOC has about corporate misbehavior along racial lines, and so on.