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You prove that you have no understanding of what is spiritual.
Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment biblical or not?
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You prove that you have no understanding of what is spiritual.
God's Truth
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I have already shown him, so has Aimiel.
God's Truth
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I am speaking about spiritual blindness.
Did you not read what I said?
I have already given the scriptures more than once.
However, Timotheos just keeps repeating the same thing; he keeps saying he did not see it.
Levolor
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Did you not read that I mentioned exactly that?
It would help your non-existing credibility if you were to do so again.
Maybe they didn't and to insist that they did is saying Timotheos is a liar. Be generous and gracious in spirit by being accommodating and provide the scripture again for them. How difficult can it be?
God's Truth
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You are confused.
You still would not see it.
You are not busy; you are a busybody.
Levolor
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ROFL!!!
We weren't talking about me. We were talking about you providing scripture for another. And, instead of doing that simple little thing, you go on the attack:
Attacking someone instead of simply providing a scripture speaks volumes.
I didn't say anything about being doubly-dead. I don't even know what that means. However, if I understand correctly you are saying God is going to resurrect dead people so he can kill them.
Well, I guess that will show them.
:sigh:
Sin kills them. Did you forget that the Bible says "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord". How can those OUTSIDE of Christ receive eternal life IN Christ Jesus?
Insult much?
Why do you do this? Is it because there is no scripture that agrees with your false doctrine? Did you ever read Romans 6:23 and John 3:16? Can you tell in the Bible's words what they say?
My guess would be through repentance.
Okay, then they would be IN Christ. Those who refuse to repent remain OUTSIDE Christ, so they don't receive eternal life IN Christ.
Are you Christian Universalist? (I don't know the proper term)
I don't want to debate a Universalist. I don't have a beef with you guys. At least God didn't design a torture pit in your doctrine.
Not really. I'm sorry if I offended you.
I'm not offended, but I'll ask you this, what is the penalty for sin? Is it death? Yes, Paul said so. Is it the second death? No, that's not scriptural.
What scripture are you referencing that says the wages of sin is the second death? It's not there. You are reading that into what Paul said.
The purpose of the second resurrection is not to kill people, it is to offer them life. Will everyone accept life? We don't know.
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I believe what the Bible says. I'm sorry that this offends you.
freelight
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Love is Universal..............
Love is Universal..............
I'm more of an 'essential' Universalist (theosophist/spiritualist) in the philosophical sense, and while respecting the Lord Christ and his role in man's enlightenment and salvation, am not limited to being only a 'Christian' Universalist', - however there is much support for the Christian Universalist perspective which rejects the concept of ECT.
What exists for all reading these words now is Life,...we are all alive and conscious, engaging...inter-acting. Whatever gradations or qualities of life or death, light or darkness we experience are but conditional modes of consciousness (we can only speculate about a condition that is wholly 'unconscious' (non-existent)).
The proposition that some souls may actually disintegrate and no longer be 'conscious functioning entities' (being wholly snuffed out of existence; expunged) is a more metaphysically complex issue, that includes considering both 'temporal' and 'eternal' aspects of the soul (and spirit), and its procession in the afterlife.
As shared before, its more than just a 'black n white' conclusion of literal interpretations of a text or just a face-value acceptance of our own definition of 'death', since the terms are relative and differ within various schools.
pj
Love is Universal..............
I'm more of an 'essential' Universalist (theosophist/spiritualist) in the philosophical sense, and while respecting the Lord Christ and his role in man's enlightenment and salvation, am not limited to being only a 'Christian' Universalist', - however there is much support for the Christian Universalist perspective which rejects the concept of ECT.
What exists for all reading these words now is Life,...we are all alive and conscious, engaging...inter-acting. Whatever gradations or qualities of life or death, light or darkness we experience are but conditional modes of consciousness (we can only speculate about a condition that is wholly 'unconscious' (non-existent)).
The proposition that some souls may actually disintegrate and no longer be 'conscious functioning entities' (being wholly snuffed out of existence; expunged) is a more metaphysically complex issue, that includes considering both 'temporal' and 'eternal' aspects of the soul (and spirit), and its procession in the afterlife.
As shared before, its more than just a 'black n white' conclusion of literal interpretations of a text or just a face-value acceptance of our own definition of 'death', since the terms are relative and differ within various schools.
pj
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You do not speak according to scripture either, just as you claim Timotheos does not.
Where do the scriptures say the dead will be raised to offer everyone life?
The righteous will be raised to eternal life with Jesus, and the wicked to eternal punishment.
That is what the scriptures say.
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You do not believe what the Bible says.