Jesus died physically.
His Spirit did not die. In fact, he went to the spirits in prison, of those who died long ago, and preached the gospel there.
You just make this stuff up as you go, don't you?
Jesus died physically.
His Spirit did not die. In fact, he went to the spirits in prison, of those who died long ago, and preached the gospel there.
In that case, humble yourself and repent.
You are willfully blind.
You did not post any scripture that says "People go to hell when they die where they are tortured alive forever while they are dead". The reason I know this is because there is NO VERSE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAYS THAT.
It is offensive for a Christian to say to another Christian that they are "willfully blind" and "ensnared by the devil".
Why don't you just admit that there is no verse that says that and you didn't post any verse that says that?
You just make this stuff up as you go, don't you?
You are blind to the truth too.
If the Bible says that people go to hell when they die where they are tortured alive forever while they are dead, could someone PLEASE give the verse that says this?
Until you do (GT), I will continue to believe what the Bible says. "Whoever believes in Him shall not PERISH, but will have eternal life."
Why don't we simply reject the idea that the wages of sin is to be tortured alive forever in hell?
The Bible clearly states that the wages of sin is death. There doesn't seem to be any reason to not believe this.
No Timotheos, there is nowhere in the Tanach about hell-fire as a punishment in the afterlife. But by the same token, there is nowhere in the Tanach that a person will get eternal life by believing in Jesus. On the contrary, eternal life was an attribute denied man because he could not live forever. Only God is eternal. If you read Genesis 3:22, man was banished from the Garden of Eden to prevent him from eating of the tree of life and live forever. That's due to the logical principle that every thing which had a beginning must have an end.
I think differently. One does not die because he or she sinned but because he or she was born. The wages of sin is suffering while still living . Logically, many babies die without having even committed a single sin.
Their suffering is usually due to the natural law of cause and effect or misjudgment of care takers.
There is scripture that says that. I have shown you those scriptures, but you deny it.
I believe that those who have rejected Jesus Christ's offer of forgiveness of sins will also be resurrected, but their sin remains so they must pay the wages of sin themselves, so they will die again after they are resurrected. The wages of sin is death.
God's Truth,
re: "There is scripture that says that."
No need to retype the scripture - just provide the book, chapter and verse if you would please.
I deny that you have ever posted a verse from the Bible that says "People go to hell when they die where they are tortured alive forever while they are dead", but I think that you are too stubborn to admit this.
You have posted verses that didn't say "People go to hell when they die where they are tortured alive forever while they are dead", but those verses do not prove that "People go to hell when they die where they are tortured alive forever while they are dead".
I believe that the wages of sin is death, because Romans 6:23 says "For the wages of sin is death,"
I believe that the wicked shall perish, because Psalms 37:20 says "The wicked shall perish"
I believe what the Bible says and I don't believe made up stories that aren't supported by what the Bible says.
The blind will not find it.
Hold on, Timotheos, you just said the wages of sin is death and that is true, Paul supports your statement. However, now you are claiming that the wages of sin is multiple deaths. There is no scriptural support for that claim.
For example, let's say for the sake of discussion that you bought a car with borrowed money. That borrowed money is a debt. Are you saying that once you pay the debt that you are going to be required to pay it again? Are you going to pay the debt the second time, which would be analogous to a second death? My experience has been that once I pay a debt it is paid and I longer owe the debt, I'm free of the debt.
No, God does not double bill for sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin. (Romans 6:7)
Those in the second resurrection are free of sin, God does not double bill for sin. They will have paid the penalty for sin and the debt is cleared, they don't have to pay it again a second time.
Jesus said, "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance." So does that mean since he didn't call the righteous that they lose their opportunity for salvation?
For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
(1 Corinthians 1:26)
What? Are you thinking God is going to resurrect the wise and mighty and noble people just so he can kill them? Yuck.
Does being wise and mighty and noble person cause a person to forfeit salvation?
And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. (Revelation 20:12)
Nope, the great men and women of history whom God never called will have their opportunity for eternal life.
Everyone gets a chance at salvation, but not everyone gets a chance at the first resurrection.
Did I mention that God does not double bill for sin?
The blind will not find it.