ECT If you want out of the deceptions of MAD read the rebuttal of Bullinger by Ironside.

[glorydaz]

Good John W passed out from his drunken stupor.. safe to come out


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Mental illness


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Tambora must have fell asleep too. Finger on the like button trolling glorydaze..


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Drat, I just can't bring myself to thank you for most of your posts....try harder.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

You just keep proving you have no idea what is the grace of God to usward.

You are most ungraceful toward any who would dare show your MAD errors.

No fruit, no truth.

LA

 

[oatmeal]

A. Ironside, in refuting the teachings of Bullinger, cited this passage:


If anyone advocates a different doctrine, and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. (1Timothy 6:3-5)

Here is Ironside's application of the passage to hyperdispensationalism:


One would almost think that this was a direct command to Timothy to beware of Bullingerism! Notice, Timothy is to withdraw himself from, that is, to have no fellowship with, those who refuse the present authority of the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. Where do you get those actual words? Certainly in the four Gospels. There are very few actual words of the Lord Jesus Christ scattered throughout the rest of the New Testament. Of course there is a sense in which all the New Testament is from Him, but the apostle is clearly referring here to the actual spoken words of our Saviour, which have been recorded for the benefit of the saints, and which set forth the teaching that is in accordance with godliness or practical piety. If a man refuses these words, whether on the plea that they do not apply to our dispensation, or for any other reason, the Spirit of God declares it is an evidence of intellectual or spiritual pride.12

Ironside is saying that when Paul warned Timothy against those who do not teach doctrine in agreement with "the words of the Lord Jesus," since those words are found in the gospels, Paul is warning against teachers like Bullinger and his hyperdispensational descendants.

Furthermore, the book of Hebrews claims that God has spoken "to us in His Son" (1:2) and claims Jesus' words were confirmed to us by the apostles: "How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those who heard, God also bearing witness with them, both by signs and wonders and by various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit according to His own will" (Hebrews 2:3, 4). That should settle the matter—Jesus' words and the words of His apostles are both considered from Jesus and binding on the church. But this does not work with hyperdispensationalists because to them the book of Hebrews is not for the church either. For example, Les Feldick will only apply Hebrews to those Jews under a different gospel than Paul preached:

http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue108.htm

I Timothy 6:3-5 does not speak of dispensationalism, if we look at the context, we learn what Paul was referring to.

The immediate context I Timothy 6:1-2is correcting those who do not work respectfully to their employers whether they be believers or unbelievers.

That this fellow Ironside uses that passage to refute dipensationalism tells me that Ironside is not to be trusted with scripture on this subject.

That there were and are various dispensations or administrations with differing rules... instituted by God is clear enough for those who wish to read and believe.

But to know when these various administrations started and stopped we must look a little deeper. The age of grace began on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:1-4, it did not start in the middle of the book of Acts.

 

[musterion]

Ironside was less than honest on many points.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ggiMAE&usg=AFQjCNEq02SVS6rc5d_XXFPdgCh0Raigug

Ch. 4 is about Ironside but the whole book is worth reading for the many names you'll recognize.

 

[Right Divider]

Your "dumb" is showing again WD !

Isa 1:27
Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, H4941 and her converts with righteousness.

You continue to prove that you are completely immune to truth...

Nice random Bible verse. Probably your daily devotion.

Read the NEXT verse WITH that one.... since there is the word AND between them.

Isa 1:28 (KJV)​

(1:28) And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners [shall be] together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.
​

You are a poser.

 

[Tambora]

Finger on the like button

HORRORS!!!!

 

[heir]

It is you and your club's condoning your ganging up on anyone who does not agree with your views (sound or not) who repeatedly show you haven't a clue about the Grace of God toward usward; other than your mere hollow words.

LA preaches another gospel, not the gospel of the grace of God to usward even though he has been shown the difference over and over. What does Paul say about one who does? Yah, that's right...let him be accursed (Galatians 1:8-9 KJV). Those words!

Get over yourself, already.

 

[heir]

Sort of like your hateful comments to me in the thank you comments option - you really show your understanding of grace then :chuckle:

It's called "reputation" and :baby:

 

[Tambora]

Why da hell is tambora thanking this?

Simple. Because I felt like it.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

You are most ungraceful toward any who would dare show your MAD errors.

No fruit, no truth.

LA

Beheading TOL posters is graceful?

 

[dodge]

You continue to prove that you are completely immune to truth...

Nice random Bible verse. Probably your daily devotion.

Read the NEXT verse WITH that one.... since there is the word AND between them.

Isa 1:28 (KJV)​

(1:28) And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners [shall be] together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.
​

You are a poser.

You are completely blind to truth ! Did judgement fall on Jesus for the sins of others ?

 

[Right Divider]

You are completely blind to truth ! Did judgement fall on Jesus for the sins of others ?

You are all other the road and changing the topic mid-sentence.
Of course, being the deceiver that you are that makes perfect sense.

 

[dodge]

You are all other the road and changing the topic mid-sentence.
Of course, being the deceiver that you are that makes perfect sense.

YOU was the one that challenged the meaning of a verse that I quoted that basically said through the judgement falling on Jesus we have salvation. YOU then keyed in on the word"judgement" and went all stupid over your own misunderstanding.

You are so worried about keeping the integrity, which never existed, of MAD you have completely destroyed the truth and meaning of most of scripture.

 

[intojoy]

Simple. Because I felt like it.

And your likes are as fake as climate change too


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[john w]

Good John W passed out from his drunken stupor.. safe to come out


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Quite weighty, loser.

And quit mimicking me. Your daddy the devil, the great mimicker/imitator, put you up to it, but you can't pull it off, not having my clout.

And, remember, punk:

It is important to study and learn the entire counsel of the Word of God. That must only be done by using a strict literal hermeneutic that includes taking relevant passages into context in order to understand what has been declared.

YOUR PROOFTEXT IS YOUR PRETEXT.NO CONTEXTUAL RELEVANCE HERE. NO CONNECTING RELATIONSHIP.

The problem is your negative proof texting void of exegesis in context.As well, we must formulate a chronology based on all the relevant verses.Look at all relevant verses without a wrong paradigm.. Classic proof texting out of context. You are misunderstanding/misrepresenting their points. If you quote other sections, it will not support your jumping to conclusions.It is a logical fallacy to think majority is always right, but it is also not always wrong.

 

[john w]

And your likes are as fake as climate change too


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It is important to study and learn the entire counsel of the Word of God. That must only be done by using a strict literal hermeneutic that includes taking relevant passages into context in order to understand what has been declared.

YOUR PROOFTEXT IS YOUR PRETEXT.NO CONTEXTUAL RELEVANCE HERE. NO CONNECTING RELATIONSHIP.

The problem is your negative proof texting void of exegesis in context.As well, we must formulate a chronology based on all the relevant verses.Look at all relevant verses without a wrong paradigm.. Classic proof texting out of context. You are misunderstanding/misrepresenting their points. If you quote other sections, it will not support your jumping to conclusions.It is a logical fallacy to think majority is always right, but it is also not always wrong.

 

[glorydaz]

And your likes are as fake as climate change too

Are you trying to say that Tam doesn't like my posts? I see a green eyed monster rearing it's ugly head. :chuckle:

 

[glorydaz]

You are so worried about keeping the integrity, which never existed, of MAD you have completely destroyed the truth and meaning of most of scripture.

Dodge is kicking against the goads.....must be feeling some conviction. :think:

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Beheading TOL posters is graceful?

Read the Bible.

One can be beheaded on account of being righteous or for being unrighteous.

You are only a stirrer who will have to give account for all of wise cracks.

LA

 

[dodge]

Dodge is kicking against the goads.....must be feeling some conviction. :think:

?. Surely you joke. I will not ignore Jesus and His teachings to become MAD.