dodge
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You said he never said that and he did. Your fail not mine.
ECT If MAD is False What Does Hebrews 6:4-6 Mean for Us?
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You said he never said that and he did. Your fail not mine.
musterion
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Prove you're not a troll. Chapter and verse where He did.
dodge
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Already did it is not my job to read for you.
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Churchianity has invented this idea that the word 'gospel' means 'eternal life salvation' no matter how and where is shows up in scripture. It does not. It simply means 'good message' or 'good news', and there are lots of "good news's" or "good messages" in the Bible.
The attempt to FORCE only ONE "good message" on the Bible is just plain ignorant.
Good point. If the focus of the NT was about eternal life we know there should be thousands of different good news messages, probably one for each savior. So it's a good thing the NT is not about eternal life, rather it's about whatever a person chooses to believe regarding the afterlife.
Some good news messages claim that a person goes to heaven as soon as he or she quits breathing. After all, the serpent told Eve she would not surely die. Why would the serpent lie?
If you see a serpent stop and talk to him to see what good news message he might have for you. But don't pet him, serpents are not amiable to being petted.
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That's some crazy far out nonsense there jamie.Good point. If the focus of the NT was about eternal life we know there should be thousands of different good news messages, probably one for each savior. So it's a good thing the NT is not about eternal life, rather it's about whatever a person chooses to believe regarding the afterlife.
Some good news messages claim that a person goes to heaven as soon as he or she quits breathing. After all, the serpent told Eve she would not surely die. Why would the serpent lie?
If you see a serpent stop and talk to him to see what good news message he might have for you. But don't pet him, serpents are not amiable to being petted.
The new covenant is about God doing something with Israel. That's why the Bible is SO clear about it. But you and many pervert the scripture to make stuff "spiritual" (and by a redefinition of what "spiritual" means) and to ignore CLEAR, PLAIN scripture.
Yeah, think of it as a reply in kind.
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That's because God made covenants with Israel. In fact, in Abraham's day God made covenants with no other nation or nations.
God told Abraham all nations would be blessed by Abraham's name.
Paul explained that means they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. (Galatians 3:7 KJV)
A couple of verses later Paul says, "So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham." (Galatians 3:9 KJV)
Preach it; bro :thumb:
heir
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You get saved. Get baptized and join a real church like a normal person :chuckle:
SimpleMan77
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Heb 6:4-6 is pretty simple to understand in light of the entire NT. It's obvious that God forgives, even when we knowingly sin.
Jesus commands us to forgive someone 70x7 times in one day, even if it's the same offense, and God would never ask us to do something He wouldn't do.
In light of that, fall away means that we turn away from the truth, and try to find reconciliation to God in that "fallen away" state. There is no repentance until we first rectify the "falling away" - until we return to Calvary.
This is why it says concerning these people that the reason it is impossible to renew them to repentance is that they are crucifying him afresh with their actions, and putting Him to shame on an ongoing basis.
Until they make the decision to stop crucifying Him there can be no repentance.
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Jesus commands us to forgive someone 70x7 times in one day, even if it's the same offense, and God would never ask us to do something He wouldn't do.
In light of that, fall away means that we turn away from the truth, and try to find reconciliation to God in that "fallen away" state. There is no repentance until we first rectify the "falling away" - until we return to Calvary.
This is why it says concerning these people that the reason it is impossible to renew them to repentance is that they are crucifying him afresh with their actions, and putting Him to shame on an ongoing basis.
Until they make the decision to stop crucifying Him there can be no repentance.
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70x7 is how much, Sm77?
No thanks, I think I'll believe Matthew's statement in Mtt. 15:24 as to said context.
As Paul traveled throughout Rome and Greece, Christians baptized each other with buckets and spoons. It's not something that Paul taught to anybody, period. You all just labor under 'prayerism'- everything can be replaced with platitudes and lukewarm vows.
SimpleMan77
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My point is that if God expects us to forgive someone repeatedly, I think He will forgive us repeatedly.
Or do you think He discards us if we make one mistake?
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If MAD is False What Does Hebrews 6:4-6 Mean for Us?
C'mon. You won't even agree that God forgives when we repent?!?
Paul sure thought that God would forgive the Corinthian saint who had begun fornicating with his "father's wife", but then repented.
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C'mon. You won't even agree that God forgives when we repent?!?
Paul sure thought that God would forgive the Corinthian saint who had begun fornicating with his "father's wife", but then repented.
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Good post RD