Jesus by the grace of God has tasted death for every man, Hebrews 2:9, so that now, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
Isn't that wonderful?
How the Gospel Refutes All Religions and Reconciles Us to God
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Jesus by the grace of God has tasted death for every man, Hebrews 2:9, so that now, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
Isn't that wonderful?
beloved57
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Whats wonderful about teaching that sinners Christ tasted death for, still wind up in the second death ? That means His death didn't do anything !
But everyone still dies.
Adam sinned...Adam died.
Jesus removed sin........but people still die
Yes, but now you don't have to die in your sins and be eternally lost.
Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15. Proof of this is that God accepted Jesus back into heaven and has made him both Lord and Christ, Acts 2:36.
God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus is God's new Adam and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17.
Nanja
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Exactly! But it's something the carnal man can't understand 1 Cor. 2:14!
But we know that Christ's death alone did satisfy God's Law and Justice perfectly for all He was made Surety for Heb 7:22 in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace: Every one of the Elect Chosen in Him to have Forgiveness of sins before the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4-7. They were reconciled to God while being enemies 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 5:10, and so no sin was imputed to them but to Christ in in their stead Is. 53:6; Rom. 4:7-8.
Hence, non-imputation of sin equates to Justification which is Salvation. The Elect were Saved and called according to God's Purpose and Grace given them before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9.
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Not for Gospel rejectors like yourself. But for us that believe it means eternal life.
You apparently believe that there is something wrong with the Bible.
God believes that all men should be saved and come into the knowledge of the truth, 1 Timothy 2:3, 4.
You try to use scripture to refute scripture. You don't believe the Bible, nor do you accept the Bible.
Was Jesus born as a sinner?
I usually don't answer dumb questions, but for you I will make an exception. Of course not.
You said, "No, were saying that ALL MEN are born sinners."
That's not true is it?
Most babies are born with a natural mind not subject to God. Each person must be converted by God's Spirit.
beloved57
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Excellent !
beloved57
Well-known member
You actually teach that Christ's Death did not do anything !
Luke 2:21-24King James Version (KJV)
And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord
24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
In Exodus it explains the sacrifice Mary and Joseph were making for Jesus....
Exodus 13:12-13King James Version (KJV)
That thou shalt set apart unto the Lord all that openeth the matrix, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males shall be the Lord's.
13 And every firstling of an *** thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.
So now the question arises...what were Mary and Joseph redeeming Jesus from?
PneumaPsucheSoma
TOL Subscriber
No. You're apostate.
Didn't do anything for unbelievers like yourself. Because of unbelief you are still in your sins.
Only those that embrace the Gospel will be saved.
Nanja
Well-known member
The only believing that means Eternal Life is a Fruit of the Holy Spirit given in New Birth.
Rom 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
First one is Born of God, then he can Believe / have Faith.
Gal 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith.
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Yes. I am an apostate to the lie you believe in: that people are born in sin. Do you know who the father of lies is?
PneumaPsucheSoma
TOL Subscriber
Yes. Him who spawned you and all you portray in ignorant arrogance as antichrist false doctrine.
And I don't believ that people are born in sin.
beloved57
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Yes. You teach that sinners Christ died for are going to perish in their sins !
beloved57
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Sinners Christ lived and died for are believers through Christ, He first believed for them when He kept the law for them. Did Jesus Christ have Faith when He lived on the earth fulfilling the law for His people ?