ECT How can there be a another Gospel based on Gal. 1:22 ? The faith Paul once destroy ?
- Thread starter dodge
- Start date
dodge
New member
I found hope in Jesus in 1978 ! I follow scripture not Darby, Bullinger or Stam.
Nope, it is you that has no hope.
As long as you continue to be a follower of John Nelson Darby, you have no hope.
lain:
The faith (not gospel) that Paul once destroyed was the faith that Jesus was the Son of GOD came in the flesh, the promised Messiah to restore Israel.
All of which was prophesied.
Don't insert "gospel" where scripture says "faith".
Gospel is good news. Faith is a response to the good news (gospel).
None of the 12 were preaching a gospel of salvation through faith without works.
Paul did preached a gospel of salvation through faith without works.
Long story short ..... Paul did not destroy a gospel of salvation through faith without works because that had not been preached by the 12.
The gospel of salvation through faith without works was revealed to us by the risen Lord and Savior Jesus Christ through His mouthpiece, Paul, as a mystery that was not preached by the 12.
Ananias has just healed Saul/Paul of his blindness which happened at his conversion on the road to Damascus.
Acts 9 KJV
(20) And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
(21) But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests?
It was Jews that accepted that Jesus as the Son of God, the promised Messiah of Israel, that Paul was persecuting.
Paul certainly wasn't persecuting them because they had a zeal for the law. Even Saul/Paul had a great zeal for the law before his conversion, so faith without the law was not something that Saul/Paul was persecuting because faith without law was not even being preached before Saul/Paul was converted.
Saul/Paul who once did not have faith that Jesus was the promised Messiah, the Son of GOD, now preached that He was.
Acts 9 KJV
(20) And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
(21) But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests?
It was Jews that accepted that Jesus as the Son of God, the promised Messiah of Israel, that Paul was persecuting.
Paul certainly wasn't persecuting them because they had a zeal for the law. Even Saul/Paul had a great zeal for the law before his conversion, so faith without the law was not something that Saul/Paul was persecuting because faith without law was not even being preached before Saul/Paul was converted.
Saul/Paul who once did not have faith that Jesus was the promised Messiah, the Son of GOD, now preached that He was.
No matter how hard you try to twist it, your Dispensationalism cannot stand the test of scripture.
(Acts 9:4) He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"
Jesus didn't say "faith", and He didn't say "gospel"....He said "me".
That's the part you Darby Followers just don't understand.
Interplanner
Well-known member
Tam wrote:
the promised Messiah to restore Israel.
Not as you know it. The restoration happened, but was not the one you are thinking. Everyone needs to go back to Dan 9 and see the plain meaning. Messiah accomplishes everything he was supposed to, but Israel as a nation is ruined.
That is the official answer to the prayer Daniel makes about the destiny of Israel.
the promised Messiah to restore Israel.
Not as you know it. The restoration happened, but was not the one you are thinking. Everyone needs to go back to Dan 9 and see the plain meaning. Messiah accomplishes everything he was supposed to, but Israel as a nation is ruined.
That is the official answer to the prayer Daniel makes about the destiny of Israel.
SaulToPaul 2
Well-known member
Made up.
SaulToPaul 2
Well-known member
The irony.
SaulToPaul 2
Well-known member
Acts 3
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Already happened!
SaulToPaul 2
Well-known member
You miss the point. IP thinks it happened at the first coming.
Restoration before parousia, not parousia then restoration.
SaulToPaul 2
Well-known member
:chuckle:
Interplanner
Well-known member
True, there are things that were prophesied and are restored in the coming of the Spirit. But I think Peter meant that Christ reigns now from heaven until the restoration of the rest, like 2 Peter 3 details. And 2 Peter 3 has nothing Judaistic/Judean about it.
SaulToPaul 2
Well-known member
Interplanner
Well-known member
The D'ist who think "the rest" is about other Judaistic things needs to show that from elsewhere in the NT (there is no such thing) and also needs to show that the restored Judaistic things is mentioned 'from the beginning of the world.'
But actually they don't, just as Rom 16 is not talking about a mystery from the beginning of time. Both passages are talking about a thing mentioned for several generations now: 'dia stomatos ton hagion ap' aionos autou propheton' (Acts 3:21). Once again the NT is saying that the coming of the Spirit and the eventual NHNE has been expressed all the time as found. This is not a mystery nor hidden. But that they were/are fulfilled in Christ, not Judaism--the law, THAT is the mystery that stumped that generation.
When they could not get it across to followers of Judaism, it was not that it was absent from the prophets or Psalms. It was because of the veil/blindness, 2 Cor 3:14+.
But actually they don't, just as Rom 16 is not talking about a mystery from the beginning of time. Both passages are talking about a thing mentioned for several generations now: 'dia stomatos ton hagion ap' aionos autou propheton' (Acts 3:21). Once again the NT is saying that the coming of the Spirit and the eventual NHNE has been expressed all the time as found. This is not a mystery nor hidden. But that they were/are fulfilled in Christ, not Judaism--the law, THAT is the mystery that stumped that generation.
When they could not get it across to followers of Judaism, it was not that it was absent from the prophets or Psalms. It was because of the veil/blindness, 2 Cor 3:14+.
Right Divider
Body part
You constantly use the term "Judaism". What is it? DETAILS, remember?