beefalobilly said:
Using this logic then, wouldn't also the concept of hell be incompatible with being a christian? After all, "the wages of sin is death." The penalty for all sin is death, none of us are righteous. That means we all deserve hell, and some will meet their end there because they were born into sin and never repented. Is this unjust as well?
Romans 5:14-16
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.
No one will go to Hell because of Adam's sin. Christ made sure of that on the cross. If anyone goes to Hell it's because they chose to reject God. God is not unjust, period.
Looking back on the post I made I can see how it doesn't make sense. I'm not suggesting we excuse those who steal at all. What I was trying to say was that we're all born with a sin nature, and I'm pretty sure most Christians believe that. We're born with a sin nature so that we tend to lie, steal, cheat whatever. No one teaches us how to do that. We don't need external forces to teach us how to do such things.
I agree that this is a common Christian belief but it has no bearing on the issue of this thread.
"Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me."
And so I'm not sure why it's so adamant for Christians that gayness be a result of external forces but other sins are a result of a natural sin nature. If humans are allowed to go naturally then they will go down the path of sin, and yet it's argued that gayness is un-natural (these two concepts contradict each other).
So again, should we not execute the murderer because he was conceived in sin? This argument of yours just doesn't make any sense.
If sin is the natural nature of humanity, then gayness would also be for certain people (i don't assume that all humans have the same struggles with the same sins), and the argument that gayness is wrong because "it's unnatural" is invalid because naturally some people would tend towards gayness, and un-naturally they would tend towards being straight.
Being a homo is wrong because it kills people, lots of them. It also erodes a society from its base and leads to anarchy. If you swiftly execute people who commit such crimes, you will save millions of lives.
Besides, when someone says that being a homo is unnatural it is obviously in reference to the common sense notion that a male and female go together 'naturally'. What homos do, they are not designed to do, it is therefore "unnatural". It has nothing to do with original sin or the sin nature, that's a completely different issue altogether.
Resting in Him,
Clete
