Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !

[beloved57]

Who then can be saved ?

Who then can be saved ?

Matt 19:24-26

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

What does this mean ?Read carefully Jesus answer in Vs 26 to the question by his disciples as to who then can be saved ? We must conclude if honest, that by nature, man is in such a helpless and hopeless condition by sin, that its impossible for him to be saved except by a special Divine Intervention, and so its only possible by God's Sovereign Intervention ! which such intervention is completely out of man's control, and lies in only having been elected in Christ before the foundation of the world, which does secure unto us the Redemption that comes through His Blood alone, and the Sovereign Life giving communications of the Spirit ! Apart from this man has no hope of Salvation !

 

[blackbirdking]

Matt 19:24-26



What does this mean ?Read carefully Jesus answer in Vs 26 to the question by his disciples as to who then can be saved ? We must conclude if honest, that by nature, man is in such a helpless and hopeless condition by sin, that its impossible for him to be saved except by a special Divine Intervention, and so its only possible by God's Sovereign Intervention ! which such intervention is completely out of man's control, and lies in only having been elected in Christ before the foundation of the world, which does secure unto us the Redemption that comes through His Blood alone, and the Sovereign Life giving communications of the Spirit ! Apart from this man has no hope of Salvation !

Apparently you believe that not all things are possible with your god. You believe it's impossible for your god to save all men, and it's impossible for your god to love all men; his love is limited and his power is limited. You don't believe the whole truth; John 1:9.

 

[Old man]

I understand your position but I think you should reason out what you are saying....

Since we are the 'bride of Christ' then just like in the natural world the woman must love the man back. Not because she is forced to, but because she wants to. Essentially what you are teaching is a forced love, something I cant see God doing. Freedom is a foundational principle in love. In my estimation fear can lead men to believe they cannot fall from grace. God wants people to worship him in spirit and in truth, not some robotic forced love. I know the verses you are looking at but this is where the Spirit is very important. Examine what you are saying critically, you are teaching Robotism. :chuckle:

Romans 12:16, 15:5

2nd Cor.13:11

Phil.2:2

1 Peter 3:8

Which can only come through the Holy Spirit not the reasoning of human nature.

And you are teaching?

 

[beloved57]

Its by Faith that it might be by Grace !

Its by Faith that it might be by Grace !

Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise[of Eternal Inheritance] might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Faith here is not a condition that the seed must meet or do in order for God's Promise of Eternal Inheritance [Heb 9:15] unto them to be made sure, for if that was the case, God's Promise is contingent upon them, their act; But we take Faith here to be Christ, who is the object of their God given Faith, as it was their Father Abraham's, and so its through Christ's Faithfulness to the Eternal or Everlasting Covenant, that in time He would die on the Cross for their sins, and His Faithfulness to that ensured the Promised Eternal Inheritance unto all the Seed. The Eternal Inheritance is what the writer of Hebrews means here Heb 9:12,15

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Now this is also True because them redeemed by Christ's Blood Eph 1:7

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

are given the Holy Spirit as a down payment of their Eternal Inheritance secured to them by Christ Eph 1:13-14

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Its an great evil men have invented, to make Faith the Condition men must perform before God's Promise is fulfilled unto them, whereas Faith is given to acknowledge Christ as the one who has been Faithful to the Covenant Engagements that secured the Inheritance to all the Seed. Isa 53:10


10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

 

[Epoisses]

I don't know which is worse, legalism or Calvinism!?!

Probably Calvinism. At least there's hope for a legalist.

 

[beloved57]

Prov 16:4

Prov 16:4

Prov 16:4

4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

The Wicked God made for His Own Glory, that He might make known the Attribute of Justice among men. Yes God is a Gracious and Loving God, and this too He purposed to make known, but God's Nature is not only Love, but its also Holiness, Justice, wherein He must punish sin and iniquity. God did reveal this totality of His Nature here to Moses Ex 34:6-8

6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.

And so God Created People for both purposes of His Nature, a People for His Graciousness, mercifulness as Per Vs6-7a

And God Created a people for His Nature of 7b " The guilty, the Wicked of Prov 16:4 and this is for His Own Glory !

 

[beloved57]

Does man act freely and responsibly ?

Does man act freely and responsibly ?

Does man act freely and responsibly ? Yes, man does act freely and responsibly, but only in doing what God has predestinated for him to do, or what God has already purposed to be don by him. What about evil ? No God does not force man to do evil, to sin, but He determined that they do it freely, this principle of Truth is seen in the gathering together of them blameworthy of delivering His Son the Lord Jesus Christ over to be Crucified, as observed here Acts 4:26-28

26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

First lets look at Vs 26 at the words were gathered together against the Lord. The words gathered together in the greek.

The word gathered is the word συνάγω and it means to:


I gather together, collect, assemble, receive with hospitality, entertain.

And its in the passive voice, meaning they were all assembled together or brought together, they were recipients of the action. Now who do we suppose brought them together ? It was God's Sovereign Purpose ! They did not know it, but it was True, all their actions and decisions that brought about the arrest, trail and crucifixion of Christ had been determined by God for them to do Vs 28, and yet they acted freely and not forced.

Yes they only did, freely, what God's Sovereign Hand had already predestined to take place.

Remember when the people were given a choice as to what criminal could be set free, and they did not choose Jesus, but one who was murderer ? Lets read Matt 27:15-23

15 Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.

16 And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.

17 Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?

18 For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.

19 When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

20 But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

21 The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.

22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

Now I understand that their choice to free barabbas was somewhat influenced by by the chief priests and elders Vs 20, nevertheless they were merely persuaded not forced into their rational choice ! In other words after being persuaded they still acted freely and responsibly !

Now why were they persuaded to set free the murderer over against Christ the Person who went around doing so much good ? Acts 10:38

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Because in the predetrmined purpose of God, Christ's hour had now arrived for Him to be Crucified. Remember Lukes Gospel Lk 22:22

22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!

Before this hour the forces of darkness could not kill Him. Jn 7:30

Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come.

 

[beloved57]

Does man act freely and responsibly ? Cont

Does man act freely and responsibly ? Cont

You see the peoples choice [to release the murderer instead of Jesus] was actually in agreement with what God had already determined to be done or with what was then happening, for thats Peters point in Acts 4:27

27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

Thats talking about that choice they made between barabbas and the Lord Jesus Christ; For they acted freely and responsibly in choosing whom should be set free by that custom, yes they had been influenced by the chief priests and elders, but they did not force them against their will, but persuaded them to be willing to ask for the release of the murderer over the Lord Jesus.

The whole point being made is this, though man does act freely and with accountability, he still acts only within the predetermined counsel of God Prov 19:21

21 There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand.

Many plans are in a man's heart, but the LORD's decree will prevail.

 

[beloved57]

Believing is a Work !2

Believing is a Work !2

Faith or believing is a work because its an act or action of the heart and mind Rom 10:9-10

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Also its[Faith or believing] emotional as well as practical !

Work is defined as:

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

 

[beloved57]

Yes Jesus saves unbelievers !

Yes Jesus saves unbelievers !

Many in false religion make the unfounded claim that God nor the Lord Jesus Christ does not save unbelievers, which is ridiculous, for if that was the case, then no one would ever become a Believer ! One has to saved before they can believe ! Jesus came to save sinners, unbelievers, this does scripture testify to. 1 Tim 1:13-15

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul was saved from unbelief as much as he was saved from being a blasphemer, a persecutor, and injurious, for those sins were fueled by the sin of unbelief !

Paul says in 1 Tim 1:15 that Christ came to save sinners and not believing sinners, and He saves them not for or because of Faith or believing, but unto Faith or Believing !

This is True because one cannot believe unless they are already saved. Thats right, a lost person cannot believe, because while being in a lost condition we cannot believe the Gospel because in a lost condition satan has us blinded in the mind.2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The word lost in Vs 3 is in the present tense, meaning they are being in a lost condition continually, and so all the while we are in that state, our minds are blinded to the Gospel, and hence as a result we believe not !

We are actually imprisoned to unbelief while in a lost condition Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all[jew and Gentile] in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

God hath concluded all in unbelief. What does concluded mean ? Its the greek word sygkleiō and means:


to shut up together, enclose

a) of a shoal of fishes in a net

2) to shut up on all sides, shut up completely


By nature in a lost state we are confined into unbelief, we are enclosed into a sphere of unbelief, shut up completely ! Restricted !


So if and when one does believe the Glorious Gospel, it serves as an evidence of having been delivered from the sphere of lostness and unbelief, and being in a saved state.

Now if we say we believed to get saved, we are actually saying that we first saved ourselves out of a lost state, then we believed the Gospel !

So Yes, Jesus saves unbelievers or else, there could never be believers, for we cannot believe in a lost state, which we all are by Nature, to God be the Glory !

 

[beloved57]

God's Foreknowledge !

God's Foreknowledge !

Does God foreknow a thing or something because He was enlightened or because He determined it ? Big difference. God's foreknowledge is based upon His determinate counsel Acts 2:23

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Meaning He knew a event beforehand because its part of His definite plan or purpose, anything short of that is making God come to know something by being enlightened. For instance, there is a big difference in God foreknowing Adam would sin and bring death into the world by it , by His looking into the future and observing it, rather than God foreknowing it because He determined it ! In the former sense it suggests that God had no previous knowledge of it until He looked into the future and saw it happening, and then responded accordingly. Though its a great ability of God to foresee things and know them before they happen, yet it still speaks of imperfection, and is less perfection than He who foreknows a thing first because He determined or purposed it to happen ! So when men speak of God's foreknowledge being that which God merely foresaw[a thing] that it was going to occur, they greatly error, because God's Foreknowledge is based upon what He determined would happen, and so of course God does see in advance or in the future and observe events happening just as He purposed it to happen. When God foresaw Adam eating of the forbidden tree and bringing about the consequences thereof, He saw His Eternal Purpose being done ; and anything short of that is Blasphemy against God and making Him out to be imperfect because He was enlightened by His creature !

 

[beloved57]

God's Foreknowledge !2

God's Foreknowledge !2

If we hold to the Blasphemous view that God merely foresaw that Adam would sin when placed in the garden, but that He did not determine it, then time was His Teacher and Instructor, He learned from His creatures what the creature would do after He created him. Not only time taught Him, but His creature instructed Him; Yes God may have saw and learned far in advance, but nevertheless He learned only after He foresaw; So before He foresaw it, we must conclude that He did not know about it since He did not already determine it. We must also conclude that since He did learn by foreseeing, and did not determine it beforehand, and created adam anyway, then He also saw something adam would do, that He would rather adam did not do. Such rational is very demeaning of God ! This is a view of Him that I cannot conceive that any true born of God Person and true Worshipper of Him could hold !

 

[beloved57]

God's Foreknowledge !3

God's Foreknowledge !3

Finally, those who know not God, the True God, which what is Eternal Life is all about Jn 17:3

3 And this is life eternal[experientially], that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

But do worship and serve a dumb idol, a god who merely settled for what He did not prefer [sin], but decided that he would make the best out of what he foresaw is going to be a bad situation. This idol god preferred not that sin and death would enter into his creation, but it did, this idol god would prefer not that adam would sin, but he did !

 

[OMEGA]

If you put a New Toy infront of a Child,

don't you already know that he is going to try to Play with it.,,,,,:chuckle:.,,,,,:chuckle:.,,,,,:chuckle:.,,,,,:chuckle:



:sheep::sheep:

 

[beloved57]

If you put a New Toy infront of a Child,

don't you already know that he is going to try to Play with it.,,,,,:chuckle:.,,,,,:chuckle:.,,,,,:chuckle:.,,,,,:chuckle:



:sheep::sheep:

Did you understand posts 571, 572 and 573 ? Rehearse those points with me !

 

[beloved57]

Despise Dominion !

Despise Dominion !

Jude 1:18

Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Or the reject the Lord's Sovereignty !

This is what characterizes false teachers Vs 4.

They do this in a manner that deny's the Faith Vs 3.

They reject that Salvation is according to God's Sovereignty as Illustrated in Rom 9:11ff

The word dominion is the greek word kyriotēs:


1) dominion, power, lordship

2) in the NT: one who possesses dominion


Our english word defines it as :

the power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority.

When Salvation by Sovereign Election is set forth in scripture, its is rejected, despised ! And by this, Salvation by Sovereign Election, has to do with Christ's Lordship in Salvation !

Jn 17:2

As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life or Salvation to as many as thou hast given him.

 

[beloved57]

The question of the ages ?

The question of the ages ?

Can God be Just and punish a man for sin that He Himself purposed that the man would do ? The answer is an absolutely YES ! In fact that was the very deal with Pharoah. God did punish pharoah for sin that God purposed him to do; God raised him up for that purpose Rom 9:17-20

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Thats one of the Ways of the True and Living God who made Heaven and Earth ! The natural man objects to this very solemn Truth, and even questions God's Justice therein. But what was the man of God's answer Vs 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

This is God's Sovereign Right in display, God has the Right and executed it, to make a man to carry out an sinful purpose that the man could not resist or change, but he would comply therein, and then punish that man for committing the sins he had no choice of not committing !

Now, if we reject this of God, we are in rebellion against God,in a state of enmity against Him, and there is no question about it !

 

[beloved57]

Prov 16 :4 & Rev 4:11

Prov 16 :4 & Rev 4:11

The Wicked were Created or Made by God from His Purpose and for His Pleasure !

Prov 16:4

4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

 

[beloved57]

God's Desire thwarted ! Blasphemy !

God's Desire thwarted ! Blasphemy !

1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

The word will here is the greek word thelō:


to will, have in mind, intend

a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose

b) to desire, to wish

c) to love

1) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing

d) to take delight in, have pleasure


The ESV 4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Now, how can it be that those Almighty God desires to be saved, and to come into the knowledge of the Truth, that the all will not be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth, when God says here Isa 14:24

24 The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

The word thought means here:

to imagine, think, to purpose !

The word purposed here means:

an intended or desired result; end; aim; goal.

to advise, consult, give counsel, counsel, purpose, devise, plan

He says of them, so shall it come to pass and so shall it stand !

Also in light of Ps 33:11

11 The counsel of the Lord standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

The thoughts of His Heart or the desires of His Heart, surely 1 Tim 2:4 speaks of a desire of God's Heart.

Now even in some men the promise is Ps 37:4

4 Delight thyself also in the Lord: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

And yet some would deny that God gives or performs for Himself His Own Hearts desires !

Finally Job 23:13

13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

13 Yet he is in one mind, and who can turn him? yea, he doeth what his mind desireth.

Surely 1 Tim 2:4 tells us what His Mind desires there. Now if this be True, and God does not perform it, then He is not acting according to who He is. He is being less than God. If every single individual man of 1 Tim 2:4 that God desires to be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth is not, then God's desire was thwarted ! And to say or admit that in any kind of way is Blasphemy in the Highest !

 

[beloved57]

The question of the ages ? 2

The question of the ages ? 2

Is God just in this ? God made all the wicked for a specific purpose to carrie out wickedness according to His set purpose. Prov 16:4 ! This is wickedness that He predetermined they willfully do, without any possibility of them not doing it, and not being accountable for for doing it, then to be justly punished for doing it. This is True of all whom God made as vessels of wrath, which He gives them physical life in order to fit them unto Eternal Destruction Rom 9:22

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

That word destruction means to be damnable 2 Pet 2:1 and also Perdition as in 2 Pet 3:7

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Those ungodly men are all the vessels of wrath, God Created them to fit them for Perdition !

And understand this, the what if here in Rom 9:22 does not mean that its merely a possible if, or that God can or cannot do this, but it means, so what, like as in so what is to you that God hath done such a thing, for its nothing that can be done about it. Or

22 And the same is true of what God has done. He wanted to show his anger and to make his power known. But he was very patient in enduring those who were the objects of his anger, who were doomed to destruction.

The point being is that all the vessels of wrath He made are just like it was with The pharaoh, in that his God given purpose for having being, was for God to raise him up, that God would show His Power in him, hence fitting him to be justly punished for doing just what God raised him up to do, and that God would harden his heart in disobedience, so that he would be fitted for his perdition.

This was not only true of the pharaoh, but the same Divine way is seen here Deut 2:30

30 But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the Lord thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.

Now who hardened this kings spirit ? Who made his heart obstinate ? That word obstinate means God made him strong in stubbornness. And why ? For their just destruction into the hands of Israel.

You see, if God was so pleased to, He very well could have turned the Kings heart to let the People pass by him, for it is written Prov 21:1

The king’s heart is in the hand of the Lord; as the rivers of water, He turneth it whithersoever He will.See Ezra 6:22 to this point also !