glorydaz
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The same old drivel which doesn't come close to addressing what I said.
ECT Faith + Obedience = Salvation?
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The same old drivel which doesn't come close to addressing what I said.
glorydaz
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Can it get a simpler than this? :chew:
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Nang
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I have given answer to your question more than once, but you do not respond. That is not my fault, but the result of your carnal pride and spiritual lacking.
Lon
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No, I think you both made comments as you understood. She disagrees with you.
At one time, I fretted that one could lose salvation, but I don't believe any scripture backs that up after reading and memorizing 1 John 2:19.
It changed my understanding forever. I then found 2 Timothy 2:13 true, as I always hoped it would be.
Nang
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So you believe Christ died for all sins but not the sin of unbelief.
That can only mean salvation is contingent upon the will of man, rather than according to the will of Sovereign God.
No divine grace to be found in that message . .
glorydaz
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He was writing to the churches of Galatia. They are no more "all believers" than the Corinthians were. Paul, himself, says he stands in doubt of some.
Gal. 4:19-21 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you. Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
We can say the same thing to the workers on this site.
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glorydaz
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Unbelief is the source of all sin, which is why Jesus made it so clear that it merited God's wrath.
God made the rules, Nang. I didn't.
And, of course, God's great desire is that we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. It's why He came and died for us...so that we would know Him and the power of His resurrection. We come to know Him through the preaching of the Gospel of Grace...which is the Power of God unto Salvation.
Who would want someone who didn't freely come?
glorydaz
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No, you made a bunch of silly excuses about why you didn't have to answer.:loser:
God's Truth
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You say the same old thing. Mere denial is NO defense of the truth. You have nothing but denial and insults.
jsanford108
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Logic is what proves God exists! A dismissing of logic is a dismissing of reason. A dismissing of facts and evidence.
Also, you contradicted yourself. If there is one unforgivable sin, then Christ did not die for all sin. "All" by definition is completely inclusive. Any exception breaks the rule, rendering it false. I can't say "God is all knowing," and follow it with "except about this one thing...." That means He couldn't be "all-knowing." You would agree that Christ/God cannot contradict Himself, right? So saying "He died for all sins and paid the price for all" is contradictory to "there is one sin that is unforgivable." It is also contradictory to Hell's purpose. If Christ cannot contradict Himself, the error must lie in the doctrine and rationale put forth.
Simply dismissing logic because it obliterates your point does not render the logic false. It renders your argument false. And, not trying to sound demeaning, but it shows you grasping to an illogical doctrine, which begs and prefers ignorance rather than knowledge.
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De Nial is a river you know well my old friend.
Eph. 2:8f For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
So... James 2:14 is portrayed as the enemy... of Eph. 2:8f
Some say... James is an epistle of straw
Others say... James is only for the diaspora, but thus deny 2 Tim. 3:16.
Some say... Eph. 2:8f Must be reinterpretated...
But what does Paul say?
Gal. 2:16 that a man is not justified by works of the Law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law, because by works of the Law no one will be justified.
Where is the James and Paul reckoning?
James 2:25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
Context of the golden calf made out of James 2:14... by the worker bees...
A whore had the courage to harbor God's Agents from harm. Work? This is a manner of loving God's agents of grace and looking out for them. Work?
Rehab was a PROSTITUTE! Wake up worker bees! James 2 is about respecting all of God's servants despite their flesh!
Your precious James 2:14 is likened unto a SEX WORKER by James himself!!!
Obedience of the Law as the Works... backed by James 2:14?!?
De-Bunked with context.
Next...
God's Truth
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That was merely an insult. Looks like you need to have it explained to you too.
Your point is within your own vacuum.
Thus, why it makes sense to you.
Yours is a point arrived at absent of the whole of Scripture.
When the whole Scripture is actually approached in accord with its' own, built-in principles for its study.
Yours is the "makes sense to me" of most.
Anything will make sense within one context or another.
Doesn't make it sound.
In carnal (human) terms - all mankind - the many - have a kind of a spiritual cancer.
All are sinners.
A cure has been provided.
In fact, it has been paid for - in full.
But God commendeth His love toward us in that while yet were sinners; Christ died for us.
Those who avail themselves of said deliverance will be delivered, or saved.
Those who do not, will perish.
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Unto what end?
Service unto righteousness.
No longer in bondage to indwelling death and its' unrighteousness.
Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Said service being possible only on the other side of...
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Use scripture? Firstly you wouldn't recognise the scripture and secondly you'd then ask what I was trying to prove.
Belief in the historical Messiah means that you know He existed historicaly, but you don't know Him and He certainly does not know you.
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So then you prove what I have been saying and that is that you only know how to accuse, just like your father.