ECT Does what we do reflect what we believe?

[glorydaz]

You really don't have a clue, do you? If it is something from yourself you say it is works. If it is something of yourself you say, it is NOT works. Make up your mind.

Actually, I do have a clue....about what I said. About what you just said, that's a whole other ballgame. :chuckle:

 

[patrick jane]

Do you believe God is going to resurrect dead people just so he can kill them? Why would you believe that?

The Second Death -

 

[glorydaz]

No dilemma. Believers don't still commit immoral acts. See 1 John 3:6-10.

"Acts"? Are you saying an actual act is required before it can be immoral or wrong?

 

[Cross Reference]

"Acts"? Are you saying an actual act is required before it can be immoral or wrong?

What possesses you that you would believe otherwise?

 

[Cross Reference]

Faith is not something that warrants merit. Behavior warrants merit.

Really? Without it it is impossible to please God. God gives grace to those who walk in faith. Paul said he lived by the very faith of Christ Jesus.

 

[glorydaz]

What possesses you that you would believe otherwise?

Oh, nothing, except Jesus said what you think can make you as guilty as what you actually do. Which is why I ask Elo the question I did.

 

[Cross Reference]

Oh, nothing, except Jesus said what you think can make you as guilty as what you actually do. Which is why I ask Elo the question I did.

"Can make you"? Contingient upon what considering Rom 1:1?

 

[glorydaz]

"Can make you"? Contingient upon what considering Rom 1:1?

Contingent upon the law, of course.

The fact that Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness for those who believe is something I was wanting Elo to consider. But, as he seems to be AWOL, you'll do.

 

[Cross Reference]

Contingent upon the law, of course.

The fact that Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness for those who believe is something I was wanting Elo to consider. But, as he seems to be AWOL, you'll do.

The scripture reference in my last should read Rom 8:1. My bad.

 

[glorydaz]

The scripture reference in my last should read Rom 8:1. My bad.

Much better. Elo would claim we do not sin because we keep the law so well. His quote from 1 John says as much.

 

[patrick jane]

What possesses you that you would believe otherwise?

:chuckle:

 

[Cross Reference]

:chuckle:

Patrick, you are about an inch away from joining many others on my ignore list if there is nothing more from you other than a mocking disposition.

 

[chrysostom]

Patrick, you are about an inch away from joining many others on my ignore list if there is nothing more from you other than a mocking disposition.

he learned that from stp
-both are on my list

 

[Cross Reference]

he learned that from stp
-both are on my list

Yes. It is totally unnecessary. If one is serious about knowing God, What's the point? G'mornin' chrys!

 

[elohiym]

"Acts"? Are you saying an actual act is required before it can be immoral or wrong?

No. It's a state of mind--the carnal mind.

 

[elohiym]

... Jesus said what you think can make you as guilty as what you actually do.

Yes. That's why I say "a state of mind."

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

 

[elohiym]

Elo would claim we do not sin because we keep the law so well.

No, I wouldn't claim that. Please let me speak for myself.

His quote from 1 John says as much.

Being born of God is what makes a believer impeccable.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[glorydaz]

No dilemma. Believers don't still commit immoral acts. See 1 John 3:6-10. "Acts"? Are you saying an actual act is required before it can be immoral or wrong?

No. It's a state of mind--the carnal mind.

Alright. Then why are you quoting 1 John 3:6-10?

 

[glorydaz]

No, I wouldn't claim that. Please let me speak for myself.



Being born of God is what makes a believer impeccable.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1.(of behavior, performance, or appearance) in accordance with the highest standards of propriety; faultless:
"a man of impeccable character"

synonyms: flawless · faultless · unblemished · spotless ·
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not liable to sin.

Why would Paul claim to have been blameless under the law before he was saved?

And why does Paul tell us that Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness for those who believe?

And why does Paul tell us that we are no longer under the law but under grace?


Think about why John tells us that sin is transgression of the LAW. :think:

 

[elohiym]

Alright. Then why are you quoting 1 John 3:6-10?

To show there is no dilemma because those born of God cannot sin ... because they are born of God.