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Are you dead to everything but Jesus Christ?
ECT Does what we do reflect what we believe?
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Are you dead to everything but Jesus Christ?
musterion
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How's the works salvation going this morning? Confessing every wrong thought word and deed? You better...just one unforgiven sin will put you in the Lake. Better get to it.
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Can't answer yet another question, eh? Gotta play your games to distract away from the issues. How long have you been 'saved' [whatever that means to you]? Perhaps that will be easier for you to answer.
This is carnal thinking. Dwelling on the performance of the flesh in regards to salvation.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me...24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
If a saint in the Body of Christ committed murder or rape, God wants the government to execute him.
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Here is salvation in the Fullest sense of the word, where "death" to our "self" by crucifixion as with Christ becomes the issue: John 17:3. If you are not willing to do that you are none of His.
OMT: you are still avoiding easy questions. Are you too ashamed to answer?
ClimateSanity
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ClimateSanity
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Dying to self has nothing to do with behavior. It is the giving up on performance based righteousness.
For every tree is known by his own fruit
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If a saint in the body of Christ did such a thing he would have had to apostatized per Heb 6:4-6 KJV or, he never was a saint from the beginning.
Hebrews is written to the circumcision, not the Body of Christ. And the Lord cannot deny himself.
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If you hang out with evil you become evil.
musterion
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Co-crucifixion with Christ was not revealed until He revealed it through Paul, along with the truth and fact of the one Body.
I've answered many questions for you before, but you pretend I never did. So I don't see the point.
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That is what Satan would have you believe. It was written to Christian Jews! Does not the twain become one when Christ is Lord?? Maybe you believe there is a Christ for them and one for us?
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Impossible? There are many in churches who love their life but not unto death if forced to make a choice between Jesus and it. They have been given to believe they can have both by the false teaching of unmerited grace.
musterion
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Not possible without creating a major contradiction you'd be unable to solve. Paul says the member of Christ's Body is forgiven ALL trespasses (Col 2:13) and so is beyond ALL divine condemnation (Romans 8:1). These passages cannot apply to a member of the Body if Heb 6 applies, and vice versa.
Then he couldn't have fallen away from Christ because he was never Christ's to begin with, thus Heb 6 still doesn't apply.
ClimateSanity
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And this nullifies my point in what way?
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It's just the opposite. Anyone who believes Grace is merited believes false teaching.
musterion
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I'm still not seeing where he's explained how we merit/earn grace.
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The issue of performance. There must be fruit in ones life. That is compulsory and if compulsory then it is something which emanates from that one when working out his salvation in the fear of the Lord.