Did Obama surveil Trump

exminister

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Has anyone said that Russia changed the vote tallies?

The voting process is healthy despite what Trump says. He stated there were 3 million illegals voting with no such evidence, which he knows cuz he let it go.

The unhealthy part is that the Russians are hacking and selectively using WikiLeaks to release what they found to hurt and help and influence American voters, exactly what Comey said. Even Trump asked Russia to hack Hillary and they obliged. No wonder he has a love affair with Putin on this and other financial connections. Trump is not indebted to the same group's that most current politicians are. He has his own indebtedness.

Trump's actions speak louder than his words.
 

ClimateSanity

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The voting process is healthy despite what Trump says. He stated there were 3 million illegals voting with no such evidence, which he knows cuz he let it go.

The unhealthy part is that the Russians are hacking and selectively using WikiLeaks to release what they found to hurt and help and influence American voters, exactly what Comey said. Even Trump asked Russia to hack Hillary and they obliged. No wonder he has a love affair with Putin on this and other financial connections. Trump is not indebted to the same group's that most current politicians are. He has his own indebtedness.

Trump's actions speak louder than his words.
Russians are free to provide information as anyone is. Would you still object if no foreign government took part in the release of that information?

The electoral process is unhealthy if people hear information you have deemed them not worthy to know? That's the essence of totalitarianism.

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Angel4Truth

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Russians are free to provide information as anyone is. Would you still object if no foreign government took part in the release of that information?

The electoral process is unhealthy if people hear information you have deemed them not worthy to know? That's the essence of totalitarianism.

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Inside every true liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.
 

Nick M

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Yes, let's recap:

So the narrative that there was no wiretapping is wrong? There was wiretapping. And there was no evidence of collusion in anyway from the international business man who is now your President. Where is your friend rusha? You, AB, and her should go hide together.
 

fool

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What I got from the article in the OP is that the NSA "wiretaps" the entire planet all the time since 2005.
So the answer would be yes, Obama wiretapped Trump.
Now that Trump is in charge it would be fair to say that Trump is "wiretapping" Obama.
And everyone else of course.
 

ClimateSanity

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What I got from the article in the OP is that the NSA "wiretaps" the entire planet all the time since 2005.
So the answer would be yes, Obama wiretapped Trump.
Now that Trump is in charge it would be fair to say that Trump is "wiretapping" Obama.
And everyone else of course.
And Trump knows that but he's playing the media like a stradavarious

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exminister

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Russians are free to provide information as anyone is. Would you still object if no foreign government took part in the release of that information?

The electoral process is unhealthy if people hear information you have deemed them not worthy to know? That's the essence of totalitarianism.

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Huh? I didn't deem anything. What happened is what happened. We need all the facts to remediate this issue going forward.

The Russian successfully meddled in our politics by strategically hacking and putting out boring DNC emails. Trump jumped right on it strategically which is fine as long as he wasn't colluding or members of campaign. Comey for some unknown reason had to report it and then take it back, which he didn't do with the Trump campaign even though they were looking into that as well. So it is a real bad cluster mess.

We need to devote funds to finding out what happened and instead of worrying about a physical wall on our southern border, build a cyber wall to prevent hacking and train dopey people are subject to spear phishing. Even that, sophisticated programmers could code against. There are ways to recognize spear phishing programmatically. Bouncing off legitimate server and pretending to be someone you know - there must be some way to block that programatically. Even scanning the contents of the email and look for password requests is a relatively easy way to spot and quarantine them.

It would be real smart money to shore up our cyber walls. We are the wealthiest nation and there is loads of valuable information to steal. Regardless of your political persuasion this we should be able to agree on. It should be the number one priority.

And think about what Russia might have stolen and don't want us to know they have.
 

fool

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Talking about things that are none of the government's business? It's already been shown that no collusion was found. That means they wiretapped all that private information and found nothing. If no misdeeds were found, it doesn't matter what they discussed.
This whole thing is insane.
 

exminister

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Inside every true liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.

Both sides are capable of it which is shown historically. So inside every true con is a totalitarian screaming to get out.

Facism - an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
Theocracies are another right wing totalitarian forms of government.

Balance of power please. First amendment please.
 
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