Another Brilliant Idea from PlannedBarrenHood

[firechyld]

The only good advice Planned Parenthood could provide is abstinence to the people they provide services for.

*shrug*

Personally, I think that telling concerned teens that they are perfectly normal and that they shouldn't measure their worth by comparing themselves to others is pretty good advice.

So if we should have stopped the holocaust then, ( even though there might have been some good in the 3rd Reich somewhere ) then perhaps we should stop plannedbarrenhood's holocaust now, even if there is some good lurking in an abortuary somewhere.

I'm not arguing that. You want to get pregnancy termination made illegal again, knock yourself out. All I'm maintaining is that this particular service is a positive one, regardless of who provides it.

A woman's medical health is best suited in a physician's care, not a murderer's.

You do realise that the vast majority of people who perform terminations are doctors, right?

 

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by firechyld

I'm not arguing that. You want to get pregnancy termination made illegal again, knock yourself out. All I'm maintaining is that this particular service is a positive one, regardless of who provides it.

Even though you just admitted even a "tiny bit of good" doesn't outweigh mass murder.

You do realise that the vast majority of people who perform terminations are doctors, right?

A med degree isn't necessary to be a butcher. I wonder why victims have to be "rushed" to the hospital in an effort to save their life if the "competent hands" of the murderer at a "women's clinic" aren't so steady.

A woman's medical health is best suited in a physician's care, not a murderer's.

 

[Free-Agent Smith]

Originally posted by firechyld

You do realise that the vast majority of people who perform terminations are doctors, right?

And this is contrary to a doctor's oath except in a situation of life and death.

 

[firechyld]

Even though you just admitted even a "tiny bit of good" doesn't outweigh mass murder.

Exactly.

I'll explain it again: I'm NOT saying that the prescence of this one positive service "makes up for" the termination services offered by Planned Parenthood. I'm simply pointing out that the termination services do not negate the one positive service.

The website that we've been discussing is a positive service. That's a statement that stands by itself. It doesn't have "... which means Planned Parenthood is intrinsically good." or "... which means that it's OK to offer termination services." on the end of it. It may be the only positive service they offer. It may be one of many. I'm not offering a judgement on that.

A med degree isn't necessary to be a butcher. I wonder why victims have to be "rushed" to the hospital in an effort to save their life if the "competent hands" of the murderer at a "women's clinic" aren't so steady.

Because a hospital has the equipment necessary to provide more than one service?

A woman's medical health is best suited in a physician's care, not a murderer's.

*shrug* I think it depends on the doctor, not the services that they offer.

Agent Smith...

And this is contrary to a doctor's oath except in a situation of life and death.

Technically it's not... but that's from a legal standpoint. The "morality" of the situation is a completely different matter.

 

[Free-Agent Smith]

Originally posted by firechyld
Agent Smith...
Technically it's not... but that's from a legal standpoint. The "morality" of the situation is a completely different matter.

The Hippocratic Oath. Maybe you have never heard of this?

 

[firechyld]

The Hippocratic Oath. Maybe you have never heard of this?

Yes, I've heard of it. But in a country where terminating a pregnancy is legal, performing a termination does not technically violate the Hippocratic Oath.

 

[Free-Agent Smith]

Doctor's Oath.

My apologies. The link above is the Hippocratic Oath being used today in the United States, atleast this is the only version used by the American Medical Association.

 

[firechyld]

Interesting.

 

[Free-Agent Smith]

Originally posted by firechyld

Yes, I've heard of it. But in a country where terminating a pregnancy is legal, performing a termination does not technically violate the Hippocratic Oath.

I'm in the United States, I won't argue for other countries till they are illegal everywherein the US.

 

[firechyld]

I'm in the United States, I won't argue for other countries till they are illegal everywherein the US.

That's fine... but at the moment, they're not. And hence it's not technically a violation of the oath.

Incidentally, I wholeheartedly approve of tackling the problem by legal means.

 

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by firechyld

Exactly.

So let's shut the abortuaries.

Because a hospital has the equipment necessary to provide more than one service?

And to think...

Plannedbarrenhood is only supposed to be dedicated to women's needs. Gee.

When they almost kill someone beside the intended victim they aren't prepared to fix their butchery.

... thanks for pointing out how incapable they really are.

 

[firechyld]

Originally posted by Nineveh

So let's shut the abortuaries.

*shrug*

Do it legally, and I don't really care.

And to think...

Plannedbarrenhood is only supposed to be dedicated to women's needs. Gee.

When they almost kill someone beside the intended victim they aren't prepared to fix their butchery.

That's not exactly what happens...

You know, if you're in hospital for any reason, and something goes wrong, they move you to an area of the hospital that can better treat the complication. If you're at a small clinic (any kind of clinic) that doesn't have full emergency facilities, they move you to the nearest hospital.

This is all that's happening when they move someone from an abortion clinic to a hospital because of complications... they're getting them to the place where they can best be treated. It would be completely unfeasible for every small clinic to have full emergency facilities, whether it's an abortion clinic or a dentist.

... thanks for pointing out how incapable they really are.

They're not incapable... they're perfectly equipped to perform the service they offer. They're just specialised... much like a dentist.

One more reason why terminations should be performed in hospitals.

 

[Nineveh]

Originally posted by firechyld
That's not exactly what happens...

It most certainly is what happens.

A butcher puts a machine or device where they shouldn't be and causes damage a murderer isn't prepared to handle. They are not really set up to care for women's health. Especially the women they are aborting in utero.

They're not incapable...

When it comes to murder, you are absolutely right.

 

[firechyld]

A butcher puts a machine or device where they shouldn't be and causes damage a murderer isn't prepared to handle. They are not really set up to care for women's health. Especially the women they are aborting in utero.

You are aware that doctors specialise, right?

 

[Nineveh]

In abortion?!

 

[Free-Agent Smith]

Originally posted by firechyld

That's fine... but at the moment, they're not. And hence it's not technically a violation of the oath.

Incidentally, I wholeheartedly approve of tackling the problem by legal means.

It is a doctor's responsability to preserve life, not take it.

 

[firechyld]

Ninevah...

In abortion?!

In lots of things.

You wouldn't want a cosmetic dentist or a dermatologist taking you through surgery, would you?

Frankly, if I were (hypothetically) getting a pregnancy terminated and something went wrong, I'd feel that the best thing that doctor could do would be to get me to the nearest ER and emergency doctor as soon an physically possible.

Agent Smith...

It is a doctor's responsability to preserve life, not take it.

True. But the legislation of the country he works in plays as big a part as his own ethics in deciding on the definition of "life".

 

[Free-Agent Smith]

Originally posted by firechyld
Agent Smith...

True. But the legislation of the country he works in plays as big a part as his own ethics in deciding on the definition of "life".

A doctor cannot be forced to perform abortions legally. My government doesn't do my doctors thinking for him. And I know plenty of doctors who refuse to do abortions. Actually I don't know a single doctor (personally) that would ever perform an abortion or help anyone who does want one except in emergency situations in which the mother's life is in danger.

And when legislation makes any law regardling "life", that doesn't neccesarilly change which procedures a doctor has to perform.

 

[Nineveh]

firechyld,
Here, from what I understand, it's more like a "class" offered in residency.

 

[firechyld]

A doctor cannot be forced to perform abortions legally. My government doesn't do my doctors thinking for him. And I know plenty of doctors who refuse to do abortions. Actually I don't know a single doctor (personally) that would ever perform an abortion or help anyone who does want one except in emergency situations in which the mother's life is in danger.

And when legislation makes any law regardling "life", that doesn't neccesarilly change which procedures a doctor has to perform.

I never said he could be forced to perform abortions. I specifically said that the services he provided were determined by legislation AND his personal ethics.