It is Republican Chick. So you believe it is a combination of the two?
"|all you have to do is believe in Jesus".. Huh?
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It is Republican Chick. So you believe it is a combination of the two?
turbosixx
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I only know what I read in scripture.
1 Jn. 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;
James 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
glorydaz
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Uh, no. Paul mentions the Gentiles having the work of the law written on their conscience. Why did you leave out that part? Paul doesn't exclude Gentiles (who were not given the law of Moses). They did, however, have their God-given conscience that told them right from wrong. That eternal law of God that holds every man accountable.
Romans 3:28-29 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
glorydaz
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Not by works...not of yourself. Don't try to sneak works into what is a GIFT from God. Man's works of righteousness are as filthy rags and certainly nothing to boast of. Never ever claim man earns his salvation by his own blood, sweat or tears. That is grave error. ALL glory is to go to the Lord Jesus Christ.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
turbosixx
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I agree, our works are filthy rags and by them we can not earn salvation. That is why it's a gift, but we must have them.
1 Jn. 2:4 The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
This is what it looks like to not be working.
2:5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:
How do we know we are in Him, if we have works.
turbosixx
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They did not have the law (of Moses) but had the "work of the law"(Moses) written on their hearts. What law is he talking about? He is talking about the same law.
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turbosixx
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Tell me why the one talent man was cast into Hell.
turbosixx
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But are we saved without them?
Luke 17:10 So you too, when you do all the things which are commanded you, say, 'We are unworthy slaves; we have done only that which we ought to have done.'"
turbosixx
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Does sin count?
PneumaPsucheSoma
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This isn't difficult...
Works are not part of the Ordo Salutis (order of salvation), which is by faith and grace.
THEN... As we live this life in the flesh (BY the faith of the Son of God), that living faith (by which we have access into the grace wherein we STAND), will result in works in this life that are befitting the standard of God's righteousness for character and conduct.
With salvific faith, works OF faith will be inevitable. A good tree bears good fruit.
Somewhere, both "sides" have missed it in their respective emphases.
Works are not part of the Ordo Salutis (order of salvation), which is by faith and grace.
THEN... As we live this life in the flesh (BY the faith of the Son of God), that living faith (by which we have access into the grace wherein we STAND), will result in works in this life that are befitting the standard of God's righteousness for character and conduct.
With salvific faith, works OF faith will be inevitable. A good tree bears good fruit.
Somewhere, both "sides" have missed it in their respective emphases.
Right Divider
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That has NOTHING to do with the gospel of the grace of God.
BUT, I would say that is was because he had NO FAITH!
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NOPE! Dealt with at the CROSS!
turbosixx
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Then what is the point of this parable?
How was his NO FAITH made evident?
turbosixx
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This is what Paul told CHRISTIANS.
1 Cor. 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
turbosixx
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I agree, but that isn't faith alone as many are being told and believe.
How do we KNOW we are saved?
1 Jn. 2:3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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Sure it's faith "alone", but salvation includes living that faith. Salvation is not contingent upon works, instead meaning works OF faith are inevitable.
The MADers are just prone to an almost taunting style of blatant disregard for works in their discussion. They're just coming against salvation BY works, and don't express it very well.
Salvation is a state of being, not just an initial event. They're not good at saying such things.
Right Divider
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So... apparently.... according to turbosixx logic, if a parable does not have the application that turbosixx thinks that it does, then it has no point.
By his actions or lack thereof. And, ONCE AGAIN, this does NOT show that works are required to receive the FREE GIFT. Otherwise what Jesus did on the CROSS is not enough.
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Read the WHOLE thing Bible Chopper.
1 Cor. 6-8-11 KJV
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
republicanchick
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how much filthier it is, then,
to have no works at all..
Please see St James 2:14 and other psgs..
Faith without works is dead
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