You Must be Born Again by the Word of God

[Jerry Shugart]

You believe that one is born again by their own freewill !

A person is born again when they believe. Believing is not something which is done by one's "will," but instead what someone believes is based on the "evidence" that a person has. Faith is the "evidence of things not seen" (Heb.11:1).

You can try as hard as you can to will yourself into believing that five plus five adds up to anything other than ten but you will not ever be able to will yourself to believe that because you have no "evidence" that it is true.

On the other hand, the gospel comes in power and in much assurance and in the Holy Spirit (1 Thess.1:5) and those who do not resist the Holy Spirit receive the "evidence" that what is written in the gospel is true.

 

[beloved57]

You and Nanja are without hope because you do not believe the Gospel.

You have rejected the Gospel of Jesus Christ and have replaced it with the doctrine of a heretic.

You dont believe the Gospel, How could you, when you teach sinners Christ died for wind up lost anyways !

 

[beloved57]

I like his comment. Satan has blinded many. But many also have chose to look back at their sin and embrace Satan and are turned to a pillar of salt by rejecting Jesus.


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[beloved57]

A person is born again when they believe. Believing is not something which is done by one's "will," but instead what someone believes is based on the "evidence" that a person has. Faith is the "evidence of things not seen" (Heb.11:1).

You can try as hard as you can to will yourself into believing that five plus five adds up to anything other than ten but you will not ever be able to will yourself to believe that because you have no "evidence" that it is true.

On the other hand, the gospel comes in power and in much assurance and in the Holy Spirit (1 Thess.1:5) and those who do not resist the Holy Spirit receive the "evidence" that what is written in the gospel is true.

Lies, Those in the flesh cant please God, therefore cant believe Rom 8:8

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Lies, Those in the flesh cant please God, therefore cant believe Rom 8:8

I have told you numerous times that when Romans 8:8 is examined in its context Paul is speaking of Christians being in the flesh (Ro.8:12-13).

Since you cannot understand this simple thing then you are obviously walking in the flesh and in this state you cannot please God.

 

[beloved57]

I have told you numerous times that when Romans 8:8 is examined in its context Paul is speaking of Christians being in the flesh (Ro.8:12-13).

Since you cannot understand this simple thing then you are obviously walking in the flesh and in this state you cannot please God.

Christians are not in the flesh, they have the Spirit of Christ Rom 8:9

[FONT=&quot]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

[/FONT]So them in the flesh are unbelievers, unregenerate in Rom 8:8 and they cant please God !

 

[marhig]

Christians are not in the flesh, they have the Spirit of Christ Rom 8:9

[FONT=&quot]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

[/FONT]So them in the flesh are unbelievers, unregenerate in Rom 8:8 and they cant please God !

Not all who say that they are Christian truly follow Christ

We are in the flesh when we live by our own will and by the lusts of our flesh.

If we truly walk in the Spirit, and the Spirit of God is inside us, then through Christ we will be living by the will of God and not by the lusts of our flesh, thus we won't be in the flesh but in the Spirit.

All those who truly belong to God, live by his will.

 

[beloved57]

Not all who say that they are Christian truly follow Christ

We are in the flesh when we live by our own will and by the lusts of our flesh.

If we truly walk in the Spirit, and the Spirit of God is inside us, then through Christ we will be living by the will of God and not by the lusts of our flesh, thus we won't be in the flesh but in the Spirit.

Dont know what you talking about!

 

[marhig]

Dont know what you talking about!

Those who belong to God, will live by his will, and they will be turning from the lusts of the flesh and denying themselves to do so, and they will be following Jesus.

They will be dying daily to the lusts of their flesh by the power of the Holy Spirit and they will be decreasing and Christ will be increasing and the life of Christ will be seen in and through them. The are those who truly follow Christ and they are his church

 

[Nanja]

I have told you numerous times that when Romans 8:8 is examined in its context Paul is speaking of Christians being in the flesh (Ro.8:12-13).

Since you cannot understand this simple thing then you are obviously walking in the flesh and in this state you cannot please God.

A true Christian denotes one who has been born of the the Spirit of God!

Rom. 8:7-9
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[Bright Raven]

A true Christian denotes one who has been born of the the Spirit of God!

Rom. 8:7-9
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Your point?

 

[Nanja]

Your point?

It's over your head 2 Cor. 4:3-4.

 

[Bright Raven]

It's over your head 2 Cor. 4:3-4.

And you are rude as usual for not offering an answer with clarity.

 

[beloved57]

Those who belong to God, will live by his will, and they will be turning from the lusts of the flesh and denying themselves to do so, and they will be following Jesus.

They will be dying daily to the lusts of their flesh by the power of the Holy Spirit and they will be decreasing and Christ will be increasing and the life of Christ will be seen in and through them. The are those who truly follow Christ and they are his church

You way off point. Those in the flesh can't please God Rom 8:8. Believers are not in the flesh Rom 8:9

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[marhig]

A true Christian denotes one who has been born of the the Spirit of God!

Rom. 8:7-9
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

If we are born of the spirit of God, then we will do his will

Don't you believe this?

 

[beloved57]

A true Christian denotes one who has been born of the the Spirit of God!

Rom. 8:7-9
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

I have told him that before also. He just don't have any other defense.

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[marhig]

You way off point. Those in the flesh can't please God Rom 8:8. Believers are not in the flesh Rom 8:9

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Your right, those in flesh cannot please God, because they put themselves and their lives before him. They have a carnal mind.

So what do you believe that 'those in flesh" are?

 

[Nanja]

I have told him that before also. He just don't have any other defense.

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Sure you right!

 

[Nanja]

If we are born of the spirit of God, then we will do his will

Don't you believe this?

Being Born of the Spirit of God is evidence that one was Chosen in union with Christ before the world began Eph. 1:4-7; 2 Tim. 1:9 to have remission of sins in their Surety Heb. 7:22; Rom. 4:7-8, and that He fulfilled all the requirements necessary for them to inherit eternal life.

Rom. 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Do you believe that those Christ died for are made righteous by His one Obedience without them performing any works of their own?

 

[marhig]

Being Born of the Spirit of God is evidence that one was Chosen in union with Christ before the world began Eph. 1:4-7; 2 Tim. 1:9 to have remission of sins in their Surety Heb. 7:22; Rom. 4:7-8, and that He fulfilled all the requirements necessary for them to inherit eternal life.

Rom. 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Do you believe that those Christ died for are made righteous by His one Obedience without them performing any works of their own?

You haven't answered my question?

Do you believe that those who belong to God, and are born of the Spirit, are to do his will?