As I was saying, the man is a patholigical liar. God's Truth indeed!
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ECT Why shouldn't I convert from Evangelical Protestant to Catholic?
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I'm outta' here. Enjoy the mp3's
God's Truth
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Show me where I have lied. Show me which scriptures tell us to do what the Catholics have decreed.
Let’s look at a few examples of misleading charges. These (your list of supposed Catholic dates and half truths) are taken from Loraine Boettner’s book,*Roman*Catholicism, which might be called the "Bible" of the anti-Catholic movement. First published in 1962 by the Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company of Philadelphia, and reprinted many times since, this fat book is the source most anti-Catholic organizations rely on for information about the Church. Most borrow uncritically from Boettner, seldom giving him credit and never checking his sources.
Your lists are refuted:
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/catholic-inventions
As I said earlier, do your OWN research instead of repeating someone else's rhetoric. You may be surprised where the truth leads you. Read my signature line.
Dona Bate
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Your name 'God's Truth' is about the biggest blasphmous lie there is about you,unless you are claiming you are God?
The NT Bible!
God Bless!
God's Truth
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You prove you are not fit to judge.
God's Truth
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You have been proven wrong. Your debate as to whether I should join the Catholic Church or not was based on rhetoric regurgitated from the usual sources and not based on fact. I and others have proven this. I see your arguments have also been refuted on many other threads.
Unfortunately I cannot concede to your delusions of being 'God's Truth' to all.
Go in peace, because although I personally don't think you are a fool, what's my opinion compared to that of thousands of others?
Dona Bate
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Yes and you are?
I'm not the one calling myself 'God's Truth' therefore blaspheming God's holy name. Unless you are actually saying that you are in fact God?
There can be only one truth, Jn 17:17-23. Any variation in the one truth is not truth at all, but error.
Truth is a person. Jesus Christ said, "I am the way, the truth and the life", Jn 14:6.*
Are you "the way, the truth and the life" Yes or No?
If your answer is Yes then you are telling us that you are in fact God.
If your answer is No (which I certainly hope it is) then you are a mere man and should not be calling yourself 'God's Truth' as if every word you utter comes from the mouth of God.
God Bless!
Lon
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No, I must disagree. Some sins do indeed disqualify us from being overseers. We'll have to disagree and move along. We'll protect our flock by not allowing it and you'll take a chance that I believe is less discerning. I do understand your love and forgiveness but I must reiterate you do not have to 'show love and forgiveness' by placing such a one over a flock. They can be part of the flock from that moment on with a certain amount of accountability in proportion to the need of their temptations.
Lon
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You'd have to read up a bit further, he does.
zippy2006
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In which case I'd say your post is unsightly.
Or perhaps he was telling the truth and humility prompted him to double-check his tentative findings against a theological forum. :think:
And if it is?
Right, he's clearly a Catholic posing as something else in order to get into a fight. I'm sure he's glad to meet you too. :doh:
:chuckle: You actually did more than that, but even if you had left off accusing him of carrying out a "less than honest challenge" the if/then nonsense remains absurd. Tacking "...if it's a sincere inquiry" onto some of the first sentences to someone you've only just met is a strange way to say hello. Try it with your wife, see if she buys your "if/then" defense.
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Cruciform
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The comparison you're trying to force here simply does not exist in reality. Indeed, Mormonism was merely one more man-made non-Catholic sect to climb upon the mountainous pile of such groups that have been invented over the past five centuries, since the Protestant Rebellion. In short, Mormonism is far more similar to your chosen man-made Protestant sect or doctrinal tradition than it could ever be to Christ's one historic Catholic Church.
So was Joseph Smith, and all based upon his personal interpretations of the Bible---just like you.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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Mea culpa, I pushed the irony envelope too far.Ah, I see now...sorry about that
That is not unconditionally true.
"Individual, integral confession and absolution remain the only ordinary way for the faithful to reconcile themselves with God and the Church, unless physical or moral impossibility excuses from this kind of confession." CCC1484
In your case, clearly "physical impossibility" existed.
zippy2006
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Good question. :idunno:
| This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism124 and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved. Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 14 124Cf. Mk. 16:16; Jn. 3:5 |
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Jesus said his Church would be "the light of the world." This means his Church must be a visible organization. It must have characteristics that clearly identify it and that distinguish it from other churches. Jesus promised, "I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). This means that his Church will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. His Church will survive until his return.
Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from unity with the pope in 1054. The Protestant churches were established during the Reformation, which began in 1517. (Most of today’s Protestant churches are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.)
Only the Catholic Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing. The line of popes can be traced back, in unbroken succession, to Peter himself. This is unequaled by any institution in history.
Even the oldest government is new compared to the papacy, and the churches that send out door-to-door missionaries are young compared to the Catholic Church. Many of these churches began as recently as the nineteenth or twentieth centuries. Some even began during your own lifetime. None of them can claim to be the Church Jesus established.
The Catholic Church has existed for nearly 2,000 years, despite constant opposition from the world. This is testimony to the Church’s divine origin. Any merely human organization would have collapsed early on. The Catholic Church is today the most vigorous church in the world (and the largest, with over a billion members: one sixth of the human race), and that is testimony not to the cleverness of the Church’s leaders, but to the protection of the Holy Spirit.
FOUR MARKS OF THE TRUE CHURCH
If we wish to locate the Church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks or qualities of his Church. The Church we seek must be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.
The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13)
Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of differing churches (Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on). The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23–32). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church. His Church also teaches just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2). Over the centuries, as doctrines are examined more fully, the Church comes to understand them more deeply (John 16:12–13), but it never understands them to mean the opposite of what they once meant.
The Church Is Holy (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8)
By his grace Jesus makes the Church holy, just as he is holy. This doesn’t mean that each member is always holy. Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the Church (John 6:70), and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:21–23). But the Church itself is holy because it is the source of holiness and is the guardian of the special means of grace Jesus established, the sacraments (cf. Eph. 5:26).
The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10)
Jesus’ Church is called catholic ("universal" in Greek) because it is his gift to all people. He told his apostles to go throughout the world and make disciples of "all nations" (Matt. 28:19–20). For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has carried out this mission, preaching the good news that Christ died for all men and that he wants all of us to be members of his universal family (Gal. 3:28). Nowadays the Catholic Church is found in every country of the world and is still sending out missionaries to "make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19).
The Church Jesus established was known by its most common title, "the Catholic Church," at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one Church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatius’s time, which means it probably went all the way back to the time of the apostles.
The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20, CCC 857–865)
The Church Jesus founded is apostolic because he appointed the apostles to be the first leaders of the Church, and their successors were to be its future leaders. The apostles were the first bishops, and, since the first century, there has been an unbroken line of Catholic bishops faithfully handing on what the apostles taught the first Christians in Scripture and oral Tradition (2 Tim. 2:2). These beliefs include the bodily Resurrection of Jesus, the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, the sacrificial nature of the Mass, the forgiveness of sins through a priest, baptismal regeneration, the existence of purgatory, Mary’s special role, and much more —even the doctrine of apostolic succession itself. Early Christian writings prove the first Christians were thoroughly Catholic in belief and practice and looked to the successors of the apostles as their leaders. What these first Christians believed is still believed by the Catholic Church. No other Church can make that claim.
Man’s ingenuity cannot account for this. The Church has remained one, holy, catholic, and apostolic—not through man’s effort, but because God preserves the Church he established (Matt. 16:18, 28:20).
He guided the Israelites on their escape from Egypt by giving them a pillar of fire to light their way across the dark wilderness (Exod. 13:21). Today he guides us through his Catholic Church.
The Bible, sacred Tradition, and the writings of the earliest Christians testify that the Church teaches with Jesus’ authority. In this age of countless competing religions, each clamoring for attention, one voice rises above the din: the Catholic Church, which the Bible calls "the pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).
Jesus assured the apostles and their successors, the popes and the bishops, "He who listens to you listens to me, and he who rejects you rejects me" (Luke 10:16). Jesus promised to guide his Church into all truth (John 16:12–13). We can have confidence that his Church teaches only the truth.
THE STRUCTURE OF THE CHURCH
Jesus chose the apostles to be the earthly leaders of the Church. He gave them his own authority to teach and to govern—not as dictators, but as loving pastors and fathers. That is why Catholics call their spiritual leaders "father." In doing so we follow Paul’s example: "I became your father in Jesus Christ through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:15).
The apostles, fulfilling Jesus’ will, ordained bishops, priests, and deacons and thus handed on their apostolic ministry to them—the fullest degree of ordination to the bishops, lesser degrees to the priests and deacons
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Post adapted from this source: http://www.catholic.com/documents/pillar-of-fire-pillar-of-truth