ECT Why preterism can never be taken seriously by Bible believers

Grosnick Marowbe

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Yep.


Acts 1:9-11 KJV
(9) And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
(10) And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
(11) Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.​



Did the Roman army receive Christ and take Him up to heaven?
No.
He didn't leave with the Roman Army, so He ain't coming back with the Roman Army.
Made up nonsense from Darby hating preterists.

But, what else can you expect from Darby hating preterists that turn the cloud into the Roman Army, and turn fire from heaven into a lightning bolt symbol on a Roman army banner.
You can pretty much just make up anything and call it gospel, if you're a Darby hating preterist.

Good post.
 

musterion

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Luke 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

The very stones speak out against this new blasphemy.

Later.
 

john w

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WHY would the victorious Lord of heaven and earth return secretly? He wouldn't and the Bible says He wouldn't, as Tam just noted.

If no one saw Him return, He didn't return.

This new "secret return" doctrine is as absurd as it is blasphemous.

Don't you know, musterion, that "everyone" saw this alleged Saviour return, in AD 70, according to Craigie, although he was un-physical, invisible, secretly returned?

We are all in denial.
 

tetelestai

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WHY would the victorious Lord of heaven and earth return secretly?

He didn't return secretly. He returned in judgment.

Over 1.1 million Jews were killed, and the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed.

There was nothing secret about it.
 

Danoh

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The very stones speak out against this new blasphemy.

Later.

Here is another...

"To conclude, when he entirely demolished the rest of the city, and overthrew its walls, he left these towers as a monument of his good fortune, which had proved his auxiliaries, and enabled him to take what could not otherwise have been taken by him." Josephus, Book VI, Chapter VIII, 1
 

tetelestai

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(11) Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.[/INDENT]

How many people saw Him go up to heaven?

Answer: The 11 Apostles.

It says He returns "in like manner".

That would mean the same amount of people who saw Him go up to heave (11) would see Him return if He returned "in like manner".

The Bible also says He would return like a thief in the night.
 

tetelestai

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WHY would the victorious Lord of heaven and earth return secretly? He wouldn't and the Bible says He wouldn't, as Tam just noted.

Tam just quoted Acts 1:11.

Acts 1:11 says He would return "in like manner".

Did the entire world see Him go up to heaven? Did a large amount of people see Him go up to heaven?

If no, and He returned "in like manner", why would you think lots of people would see Him return?
 

john w

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He didn't return secretly. He returned in judgment.

Over 1.1 million Jews were killed, and the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed.

There was nothing secret about it.
Identify this "everyone" that allegedly saw this alleged Saviour, who was "un physical," return, you fraud, as you've been asked, for 3 years.

Let me guess: you redefined the meaning of "everyone."
 

john w

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How many people saw Him go up to heaven?

Answer: The 11 Apostles.

It says He returns "in like manner".

That would mean the same amount of people who saw Him go up to heave (11) would see Him return if He returned "in like manner".

The Bible also says He would return like a thief in the night.

Identify this "everyone" that allegedly saw this alleged Saviour, who was "un physical," return, you fraud, as you've been asked, for 3 years.

Let me guess: you redefined the meaning of "everyone."
 

Danoh

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How many people saw Him go up to heaven?

Answer: The 11 Apostles.

It says He returns "in like manner".

That would mean the same amount of people who saw Him go up to heave (11) would see Him return if He returned "in like manner".

The Bible also says He would return like a thief in the night.

Nope - far more than eleven.

My point being what can one expect from one such as you - you are so hell bent (literally) on proving your case that you have no problem ignoring the passages - be they on a small detail or a large.

It is obvious that YOU believe you are right in your assertions.

Must you be so sloppy when asserting a thing that you just post whatever error your fool mind burps up in the moment?

Of course you must - for yours is the mess of "what ever makes sense to me does, because it makes sense to me..."

Yours being the circular tail chase of one of those pesky little dogs ever barking it well knows the evil others are up to.
 

john w

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Little arms Craigie:Identify this "everyone" that allegedly saw this alleged Saviour, who was "un physical," return, you fraud, as you've been asked, for 3 years.


Now.

Let me guess: you redefined the meaning of "everyone."
 

patrick jane

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Nope - far more than eleven.

My point being what can one expect from one such as you - you are so hell bent (literally) on proving your case that you have no problem ignoring the passages - be they on a small detail or a large.

It is obvious that YOU believe you are right in your assertions.

Must you be so sloppy when asserting a thing that you just post whatever error your fool mind burps up in the moment?

Of course you must - for yours is the mess of "what ever makes sense to me does, because it makes sense to me..."

Yours being the circular tail chase of one of those pesky little dogs ever barking it well knows the evil others are up to.

Book him Danoh !!!
 

Nang

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He didn't return secretly. He returned in judgment.

Over 1.1 million Jews were killed, and the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed.

There was nothing secret about it.

It is rarely realized or admitted, that the Incarnation worked both justification as well as judgment . . As does the Gospel message, every time it is proclaimed.

Judgment is not future . . . It is now, for the King of Kings reigns in all His holy power.
 

tetelestai

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The very stones speak out against this new blasphemy.

Daniel 9 proves you wrong.

(Dan 9:25) “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem...

(Dan 9:26) ...The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary....


According to your false theory, the Second Temple was irrelevant, and not even worth mentioning in Daniel's 70 weeks.

According to your false theory, there has to be a third temple built for verse 26 to be fulfilled.

mysteryboy is a mess.
 

Danoh

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Little arms Craigie:Identify this "everyone" that allegedly saw this alleged Saviour, who was "un physical," return, you fraud, as you've been asked, for 3 years.


Now.

Let me guess: you redefined the meaning of "everyone."

What Tet did with "in like manner" is pathetic - the emphasis in that passage is on His physical return.
 

tetelestai

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Nope - far more than eleven.

Read the next two verses.

(Acts 1:12) Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day’s walk from the city. When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James.

How many Apostles are there in the above passage?

The men listed in verse 13 are the men who saw Jesus go up to heaven.

So, if Jesus returns "in like manner", what would make you think lots of people would see Him?
 

Nang

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Judgment Day is not future . . Judgment occurs right now in the human experience of "present. "

Starting in the "house of God."

All should fear this reality . . .
 
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