Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 3

[Truths4yer]

I see you're still here after all this time spreading misinformation and anecdotes culture warrior. I'll correct some of the most recent propaganda but likely won't waste too much time on this thread.

those who engage in homosex are disproportionately afflicted with various diseases and substance abuse problems....
Certainly you don't think that homosexuals leave anal cancer, syphilis, gonorrhea and HIV/AIDS at home when they report for work do you anna?

Firstly we can look at racial disparities for each STI mentioned and you can let me know if you consider them sufficient grounds for racism:

ANAL CANCER​

The CDC:
"More black men get anal cancer than men of other races."
http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/anal.htm

American Cancer Society, 2011-2012:
"African Americans have the highest death rate and shortest survival of any racial and ethnic group in the US for most cancers."
http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/co...rveilance/documents/document/acspc-027765.pdf

SYPHILIS​

According to the CDC, in 2009:
"African Americans had 9.1 times the reported syphilis rates of whites".
http://www.cdc.gov/std/health-disparities/race.htm

GONORRHOEA​

According to the CDC, in 2009:
African Americans had 20.5 times the reported gonorrhea rates of Whites".
http://www.cdc.gov/std/health-disparities/race.htm

HIV​

The Centers for Disease Control:
"In 2009, blacks/African Americans made up approximately 13% of the population of the 40 states (surveyed) but accounted for 52% of diagnoses of HIV infection." (See slide 5).
http://cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/slides/race-ethnicity/index.htm

AVERT - International AIDS Charity:
"Despite comprising less than 1% of the total UK population, Black-Africans accounted for one third of all new HIV diagnoses in 2009."
http://www.avert.org/uk-race-age-gender.htm

FEMALE HOMOSEXUALS, IN BRIEF:​

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2005:
"To date, there are no confirmed cases of female-to-female sexual transmission of HIV in the United States database."
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm

GLOBAL HIV​

Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS, Fact Sheet 1 July 1996, Page 2:
"Heterosexual (male-female) intercourse accounts for more than 70% of all adult HIV infections to date and homosexual (male-male) intercourse for a further 5-10%."
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/cohenaids/5571095.0113.011



Now we can look at why there might be STI/substance abuse disparities for LGBT people and racial minorities:

MINORITY STRESS​

I.H. Meyer, 1995, Journal of Health and Social Behavior, 36(1), 38-56:
"The concept of minority stress is based on the premise that gay people in a heterosexist society are subjected to chronic stress related to their stigmatization. Minority stressors were conceptualized as: internalized homophobia, which relates to gay men's direction of societal negative attitudes toward the self; stigma, which relates to expectations of rejection and discrimination; and actual experiences of discrimination and violence."
http://www.chssp.columbia.edu/events/ms/year4/pdf/sh_Meyer IH.pdf

SUBSTANCE ABUSE​

Hatzenbuehler et al. 2011, Drug and Alcohol Dependence, 115(3), 213-220:
"Results indicated significant indirect effects from discrimination to alcohol-related problems through negative affect and coping motives".

Lehavot et al. 2011, Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 79(2), 159-170:
"Direct links emerged between victimization and substance use and between internalized homophobia and substance use".

McCabe et al. 2010, American Journal of Public Health, 100(10), 1946-1952:
"The odds of past-year substance use disorders were nearly 4 times greater among LGB adults who reported all 3 types of discrimination prior to the past year than for LGB adults who did not report discrimination".

SEXUAL RISK BEHAVIOUR​

Mizuno et al. 2011, AIDS and Behavior, 1-12:
"Men exposed to both homophobia and racism were more likely than men exposed to neither form of discrimination to report unprotected receptive anal intercourse with a casual sex partner (AOR = 1.92, 95% CI, 1.18-3.24) and binge drinking (AOR = 1.42, 95% CI, 1.02-1.98)."

Martin et al. 2010, American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, 80(3), 293–301:
"The findings provide evidence that American gay and bisexual men may experience a variety of stressful life events, including a surprising amount of victimization, and that at least some episodes of UAS (unprotected anal sex) may be associated with attempts to cope with distress associated with such events".

Huso Yi et al. 2010, Health Psychology, 29(2), 205–214:
"Gay men who reported UAI (unprotected anal intercourse), compared to the men without UAI, reported significantly higher levels of internalized homophobia."

In case you aren't following, you are the cause of these disparities CultureWarrior. You and your kind. I've compiled an absolute gold mine of studies on this at the following URL. The above are just a sample:
http://homoresponse.blogspot.com/2011/06/mental-health-and-substance-abuse.html

God created government to righteously police those that disregard His Word and turn the society that they live in into a chaotic jungle.

Thankfully there is no good reason to believe that the biblical deity exists and plenty to believe that it doesn't, otherwise we'd have to consider the mass murder and sexual enslavement of children to be an objectively morally good deed, such as in;

Numbers 31:17-18: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

1 Samuel 15:3: “Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.”

Deuteronomy 20:10-14: "Before you attack a town that is far from your land, offer peace to the people who live there. If they surrender and open their town gates, they will become your slaves. But if they reject your offer of peace and try to fight, surround their town and attack. Then, after the Lord helps you capture it, kill all the men. Take the women and children as slaves".

There are many other examples of the biblical command, sanction or endorsement of virtually everything which could be considered immoral but the above is just a flavour.

Various Bible Scholars on Biblical Historicity:
​

Very briefly on your article about the naturalness of homosexuality, which is one big straw man; medical care, such as anticoagulants, are unnatural, as are antiperspirants. Some people are abnormally kind or intelligent. Normality and naturalness are therefore irrelevant to what is good/bad.

 

[GFR7]

See, aCW, how you are viewed? :think:

And yet I've always tried to maintain some praise for you,
and I worried about you that day you took off and wound up in a ditch in Kentucky;

I prayed for your safety and lit candles for you.

You should have SOME fondness for me by now, but you treat me like you don't care if I die.

MY tattoo says "a Culture Warrior" across my chest! :kiss:

aCultureWarrior says:

No matter what, though,
after all these months you can be
wholly sure and confident that this is true:

Spoiler

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I see you're still here after all this time spreading misinformation and anecdotes culture warrior. I'll correct some of the most recent propaganda but likely won't waste too much time on this thread.

I'm amazed that you're still breathing T4y (I guess that HAART medication really does work).

You and I both know that if I was spreading lies about the behavior and agenda that is so dear to your little sodomite lovin heart, you and dozens of others would have refuted the information that I've provided long ago.

On that note, without reviewing the information you're providing for it's accuracy, I'll go with most of it at it's face value and comment accordingly.

Firstly we can look at racial disparities for each STI mentioned and you can let me know if you consider them sufficient grounds for racism:

ANAL CANCER​

The CDC:
"More black men get anal cancer than men of other races."
http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/anal.htm

Let me rephrase that for you:

Black males who engage in homosexual behavior get anal cancer more than homosexuals of other races.

American Cancer Society, 2011-2012:
"African Americans have the highest death rate and shortest survival of any racial and ethnic group in the US for most cancers."
http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/co...rveilance/documents/document/acspc-027765.pdf

Irrelevant to this thread, as the cancers that you're speaking about most likely aren't related to a immoral sexual behavior that we call "homosexuality".

SYPHILIS​

According to the CDC, in 2009:
"African Americans had 9.1 times the reported syphilis rates of whites".
http://www.cdc.gov/std/health-disparities/race.htm

See my above comment about anal cancer.

GONORRHOEA​

According to the CDC, in 2009:
African Americans had 20.5 times the reported gonorrhea rates of Whites".
http://www.cdc.gov/std/health-disparities/race.htm

See my above comments about anal cancer and syphilis.

HIV​

The Centers for Disease Control:
"In 2009, blacks/African Americans made up approximately 13% of the population of the 40 states (surveyed) but accounted for 52% of diagnoses of HIV infection." (See slide 5).
http://cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/resources/slides/race-ethnicity/index.htm

AVERT - International AIDS Charity:
"Despite comprising less than 1% of the total UK population, Black-Africans accounted for one third of all new HIV diagnoses in 2009."
http://www.avert.org/uk-race-age-gender.htm

(Is it my imagination, or is T4y purposely leaving out the word "homosexual" from all of these statistics that he's posting?).

FEMALE HOMOSEXUALS, IN BRIEF:​

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2005:
"To date, there are no confirmed cases of female-to-female sexual transmission of HIV in the United States database."
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm

Not so, refer to this link

Lesbian Sex HIV Transmission: First Confirmed Case Reported By CDC
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1171692/le...med-case-reported-by-cdc/#pdwKuB8EU7ZqBmG5.99

CENTER]GLOBAL HIV[/CENTER]

Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS, Fact Sheet 1 July 1996, Page 2:
"Heterosexual (male-female) intercourse accounts for more than 70% of all adult HIV infections to date and homosexual (male-male) intercourse for a further 5-10%."
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/cohenaids/5571095.0113.011

I won't take this one at its face value, because they're obviously claiming that the supposed AIDS epidemic in Africa is legitimate. I'll do an entire segment on that at a later date. Keep in mind that the heterosexual females here in the US (mostly black women) that have contracted HIV/AIDS, contracted it from black bisexual males who were "On the down low" (refer to table of contents for numerous posts talking about that).

Now we can look at why there might be STI/substance abuse disparities for LGBT people and racial minorities:

MINORITY STRESS​

I.H. Meyer, 1995, Journal of Health and Social Behavior, 36(1), 38-56:
"The concept of minority stress is based on the premise that gay people in a heterosexist society are subjected to chronic stress related to their stigmatization. Minority stressors were conceptualized as: internalized homophobia, which relates to gay men's direction of societal negative attitudes toward the self; stigma, which relates to expectations of rejection and discrimination; and actual experiences of discrimination and violence."
http://www.chssp.columbia.edu/events/ms/year4/pdf/sh_Meyer IH.pdf

SUBSTANCE ABUSE​

Hatzenbuehler et al. 2011, Drug and Alcohol Dependence, 115(3), 213-220:
"Results indicated significant indirect effects from discrimination to alcohol-related problems through negative affect and coping motives".

Lehavot et al. 2011, Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 79(2), 159-170:
"Direct links emerged between victimization and substance use and between internalized homophobia and substance use".

McCabe et al. 2010, American Journal of Public Health, 100(10), 1946-1952:
"The odds of past-year substance use disorders were nearly 4 times greater among LGB adults who reported all 3 types of discrimination prior to the past year than for LGB adults who did not report discrimination".

SEXUAL RISK BEHAVIOUR​

Mizuno et al. 2011, AIDS and Behavior, 1-12:
"Men exposed to both homophobia and racism were more likely than men exposed to neither form of discrimination to report unprotected receptive anal intercourse with a casual sex partner (AOR = 1.92, 95% CI, 1.18-3.24) and binge drinking (AOR = 1.42, 95% CI, 1.02-1.98)."

Martin et al. 2010, American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, 80(3), 293–301:
"The findings provide evidence that American gay and bisexual men may experience a variety of stressful life events, including a surprising amount of victimization, and that at least some episodes of UAS (unprotected anal sex) may be associated with attempts to cope with distress associated with such events".

Huso Yi et al. 2010, Health Psychology, 29(2), 205–214:
"Gay men who reported UAI (unprotected anal intercourse), compared to the men without UAI, reported significantly higher levels of internalized homophobia."

In case you aren't following, you are the cause of these disparities CultureWarrior. You and your kind. I've compiled an absolute gold mine of studies on this at the following URL. The above are just a sample:
http://homoresponse.blogspot.com/2011/06/mental-health-and-substance-abuse.html

So I've been told. Of course the act itself has nothing to do with the disproportionate amount of disease and early death of those who engage in homosexual behavior. If we social conservatives and people of faith would just be mute, or better yet shout out our approval of homosexual behavior, I'm quite certain that all of the diseases and substance abuse that disproportionately afflict homosexuals would just go away. Yep, uh huh.

Sarcasm aside: I've shown throughout this 3 part thread that in homosexual friendly countries and here in the US in places like San Fransicko, disease still runs rampant amongst those who engage in the unnatural act of homosexuality.

Thankfully there is no good reason to believe that the biblical deity exists and plenty to believe that it doesn't, otherwise we'd have to consider the mass murder and sexual enslavement of children to be an objectively morally good deed, such as in;

Numbers 31:17-18: "Now therefore kill every male ..."

1 Samuel 15:3: “Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all ...”

Deuteronomy 20:10-14: "Before you attack a town...".

There are many other examples of the biblical command, sanction or endorsement of virtually everything which could be considered immoral but the above is just a flavour.

(For someone who doesn't believe in the "imaginary sky god", T4y sure does think he understands the meaning behind God's Book).

Very briefly on your article about the naturalness of homosexuality, which is one big straw man; medical care, such as anticoagulants, are unnatural, as are antiperspirants. Some people are abnormally kind or intelligent. Normality and naturalness are therefore irrelevant to what is good/bad.

Nor is the wheel natural. God gave man a brain to make things such as antiperspirants and anticoagulants, for the good of mankind. As you've shown throughout your long post, homosexuality hasn't done anything good for the human race other can cause disease, misery, early death, and without repentance, eternal damnation.

 

[annabenedetti]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I have ever told you that you're just too cute when you go into full blown homosexualist pagan mode anna?



Ok, how's this? Have I ever told you how ignorant it is for someone as educated as you to compare Christianity with Islam? (I expect it from aikido7).


Quote:
On that note: Just look at the things that you could do if you became a Christian



Why the huge disparity in understanding Catholic doctrine between you and Catholics like Bill Donohue, Selwyn Duke and Randy Engel? (Inquiring minds needz sta know).

^^And that's why no one should be proselytizing at work.

I didn't compare Christianity to Islam, by the way. I compared your wanting to be the morality police to those who are actually carrying out what you're advocating for... who happen to enforce Sharia Law. You'd like to see the Christian version of that here, wouldn't you?

God created government to righteously police those that disregard His Word and turn the society that they live in into a chaotic jungle.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

^^And that's why no one should be proselytizing at work.

I didn't compare Christianity to Islam, by the way. I compared your wanting to be the morality police to those who are actually carrying out what you're advocating for... who happen to enforce Sharia Law. You'd like to see the Christian version of that here, wouldn't you?

I'd like very much not to see over a million unborn babies surgically murdered in the womb each year here in the US due to sexual anarchists like you anna.

I'd like very much not to see little children being indoctrinated into believing that something that is inherently perverse is normal.

I'd like very much not to see our society's most precious institutions destroyed, just so sexual deviants can feel better about themselves.

And of course I would like very much not to see my fellow human beings engaging in a disease ridden behavior that brings them nothing but disease and misery and often times brings their life to an end, decades before it should.

I can feel the HATE that oozes out of your pores anna. I pity you for being such a morally confused person.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

You should have SOME fondness for me by now, but you treat me like you don't care if I die.

You're already dead through the sinful behavior that you practice and endorse.

The good news is that you can be alive once again for eternity!

Read this book, it will show you the way.

 

[Truths4yer]

if I was spreading lies about the behavior and agenda... you and dozens of others would have refuted the information that I've provided long ago.

They have... that you keep posting anecdotes is testament to your own intellectual dishonesty or ineptitude, not that of those who refute you.

The CDC:
"More black men get anal cancer than men of other races."

Let me rephrase that for you:
Black males who engage in homosexual behavior get anal cancer more than homosexuals of other races.

That's not rephrasing. That's simply inserting a claim which isn't there.

Anal cancer, like cervical cancer and some other cancers are actually related to HPV. More women than men get anal cancer, so your presumable assumption that anal cancer is primarily resultant from anal sex between gay men is implausible.

Anal cancer among MSM is pretty much the equivalent of cervical cancer among MSW females. It doesn't represent a disparity so much as a change in location of HPV infection. Women now undergo routine screening for cervical cancer and there are HPV vaccines nationally administered to women but not men in some countries. As the study below notes, without such medical interventions, there would be no significant disparity between MSM anal cancer and WSM cervical cancer.

CDC:
"It is estimated that about 3,000 new cases of HPV-associated anal cancers are diagnosed in women and about 1,700 are diagnosed in men each year in the United States."
http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/anal.htm

Newman et al. 2008, Journal of Gay Lesbian Social Services, 20(4), 328–353:
"Experts suggest that the rate of anal cancer diagnosed among immunocompetent gay men rivals the cervical cancer rate observed among women prior to the introduction of mass cytology screening strategies begun in the mid 1950s".
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3002049

American Cancer Society, 2011-2012:
"African Americans have the highest death rate and shortest survival of any racial and ethnic group in the US for most cancers."

Irrelevant to this thread, as the cancers that you're speaking about most likely aren't related to a immoral sexual behavior that we call "homosexuality".

When you insinuate that health disparities are an independently sufficient criterion of immorality, all health disparities become relevant.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2005:
"To date, there are no confirmed cases of female-to-female sexual transmission of HIV in the United States database."

Not so, refer to this link

Yes so, as the quote is dated 2005. Your link identifies 1 case in 2012, between a Lesbian couple, who had sex during menstruation and where the HIV+ partner was not on HAART (they may as well have been vampires).
As your own source notes:

"Lesbian sex, statistically, carries the lowest risk for transmission of the HIV virus, compared to any other form of sexual contact."

Applying your own apparent criterion of immorality and legality, hetero sex is therefore immoral and should be criminalised. Don't be so inane as to try a "procreation" retort btw.

I won't take this one at its face value, because they're obviously claiming that the supposed AIDS epidemic in Africa is legitimate.

An epidemic of any disease can't be "illegitimate", it just is, rather like natural disasters.

Keep in mind that the heterosexual females here in the US (mostly black women) that have contracted HIV/AIDS, contracted it from black bisexual males who were "On the down low" (refer to table of contents for numerous posts talking about that).

Your anecdotal evidence is useless except for the substantiation of anecdotal claims (such as that one lesbian couple have managed to transmit HIV). Why do you think black men are sometimes "on the down low" anyway? Hint: It's because of people like you.

Dr Moncrieffe, 2010, UN Development Programme: Jamaica:
"Across the Caribbean, HIV prevalence is higher (among MSM) in those countries that criminalize homosexuality".
http://www.jm.undp.org/files/UNCCA.pdf

So I've been told.

I didn't just tell you. I showed you study after study confirming it.

Of course the act itself has nothing to do with the disproportionate amount of disease and early death of those who engage in homosexual behavior.

What act? There are many "acts" between homosexuals, just as there are among heterosexuals. There is no significantly early death. Go ahead and show me one of the ~three studies on this so I can correct your misrepresentations or point out their methodological flaws. Black people have a lower life-expectancy than white btw and men a lower one than women. Even were a higher disease burden partially resultant from homosexual interactions independently of minority stress, heterosexist condemnation of homosexuals on those grounds would still be hypocritical, given the minority stress effect.

If we social conservatives and people of faith would just be mute, or better yet shout out our approval of homosexual behavior, I'm quite certain that all of the diseases and substance abuse that disproportionately afflict homosexuals would just go away.

If you would just be intellectually honest and rigorous then you wouldn't be people of faith in the first place and consequently likely wouldn't variably attempt to impose (conservative) 1st century morality on to a 21st century world.

Sarcasm aside: I've shown throughout this 3 part thread that in homosexual friendly countries and here in the US in places like San Fransicko, disease still runs rampant amongst those who engage in the unnatural act of homosexuality.

Naturalness is irrelevant, as already demonstrated. People usually reference the "gay-friendly" Netherlands when they attempt this rebuttal. That some parts of the world are less hostile to LGBT people no more precludes all heterosexism there than that they have a lower crime rate precludes all criminality.

DUTCH (Netherlands) LGB MINORITY STRESS​

Gevonden et al. 2014, Psychological Medicine, 44(2), 421-33, DOI: 10.1017/S0033291713000718
"The finding that LGB orientation is associated with psychotic symptoms adds to the growing body of literature linking minority status with psychosis and other mental health problems, and suggests that exposure to minority stress represents an important mechanism."

Kuyper et al. 2011, Journal of Counselling Psychology, 58(2), 222-33, (DOI: 10.1037/a0022688):
"Results showed that minority stress is also related to mental health of Dutch LGBs. Participants with a higher level of internalized homonegativity and those who more often encountered negative reactions from other people on their same-sex sexual attraction reported more mental health problems."

Van Bergen et al. 2013, American Journal of Public Health, 103(1), 70-72, DOI: 10.2105/AJPH.2012.300797
"The data showed that victimization at school was associated with suicidal ideation and actual suicide attempts. Homophobic rejection by parents was also associated with actual suicide attempts."

For someone who doesn't believe in the "imaginary sky god", T4y sure does think he understands the meaning behind God's Book).

I'm yet to encounter a theist who can demonstrate a context or interpretation in which the mass murder and enslavement of children is morally good or even acceptable. You obviously didn't want to even try.

As you've shown throughout your long post, homosexuality hasn't done anything good for the human race other can cause disease, misery, early death, and without repentance, eternal damnation.

The diverse array of potential human interactions aren't obligated to do anything "good" for the human race. Many people derive great joy from their relationships, whether platonic, romantic or sexual and it is for those engaging in any relationship to decide whether to pursue it or not. It is not for unaffected external individuals, such as yourself, to dictate how others can or cannot live their lives.

Any relationship you might have is unlikely to do anything "good" for the human race but that does not mean you should be disentitled from pursuing one. Go on, come at me with a procreation argument, you know I'm just waiting for it .

 

[aCultureWarrior]

When a professional athlete comes forward and says something honest (especially in this day and age), it deserves praise.

Why Charles Barkley supports the Ferguson grand jury decision

Former NBA star Charles Barkley called Ferguson looters 'scumbags' and said that 'key forensic evidence, and several black witnesses that supported Officer Darren Wilson’s story.'

Dec. 1, 2014

"Former NBA star Charles Barkley recently called Ferguson looters "scumbags," praised police officers who work in black neighborhoods, and said he supports the decision made by the grand jury not to indict officer Darren Wilson in the Michael Brown shooting.

During an interview on 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia on Tuesday, the day after the Ferguson decision was announced, host Mike Missanelli asked Barkley about it and why "black America" doesn't trust the ruling.

His response surprised some listeners

The true story came out from the grand jury testimony," Barkley said, adding that he was made aware of "key forensic evidence, and several black witnesses that supported Officer Darren Wilson’s story..." He continued, "I can’t believe anything I hear on television anymore. And, that’s why I don’t like talking about race issues with the media anymore, because they (the media) love this stuff, and lead people to jump to conclusions. The media shouldn’t do that. They never do that when black people kill each other. "

He also called those who rioted after the decision was announced "scumbags," and said "There is no excuse for people to be out there burning down people's businesses, burning down police cars."

And in a marked departure from other prominent black leaders who have questioned tactics used by officers and, in some cases, accused officers of racial profiling and outright racism, Barkley supported police officers, especially those who work in black neighborhoods...

Twitter lit up with reaction to Barkley's comments, both angry and supportive.

Charles Barkley is the modern day Uncle Tom and he just made every virulent Klan and hate group in America cheer.— Jeff Gauvin (@JeffersonObama) July 18, 2013

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/why-charles-b...lYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDU0MV8x

 

[GFR7]

You're already dead through the sinful behavior that you practice and endorse.

The good news is that you can be alive once again for eternity!

Read this book, it will show you the way.

You've got to be kidding. I don't practice it and I don't endorse it. Nice try, but no :cigar:

And I meant literally dead, not figuratively.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
...if I was spreading lies about the behavior and agenda... you and dozens of others would have refuted the information that I've provided long ago.

They have... that you keep posting anecdotes is testament to your own intellectual dishonesty or ineptitude, not that of those who refute you.

"They" are so honest that they won't even come out and admit that they're practicing homosexuals themselves. In any event, it was well established early on in the thread that anything that people of faith say, especially when it comes to being derogatory towards homosexuality, has to be a lie.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

Let me rephrase that for you:
Black males who engage in homosexual behavior get anal cancer more than homosexuals of other races.

That's not rephrasing. That's simply inserting a claim which isn't there.

Anal cancer, like cervical cancer and some other cancers are actually related to HPV. More women than men get anal cancer,...

Homosexualist GFR7 attempted the same ploy earlier in this thread. Without searching for the post, I'll link the article from a website called "National LGBT Cancer Network":

Among men who have sex with men (MSM), the incidence of anal cancer is significantly more prevalent and increasing annually...

Each year anal cancer is diagnosed in about 2 people out of every 100,000 people in the general population. Current estimates are that HIV negative MSMs are 20 times more likely to be diagnosed with anal cancer. Their rate is about 40 cases per 100,000. HIV-positive MSMs are up to 40 times more likely to diagnosed with the disease, resulting in a rate of 80 anal cancer cases per 100,000 people...

Among heterosexual women, the vast majority of infections are cleared naturally by the body within a few years, usually by age 30, but this appears to be less true for MSM, where the infections are often still present in later adulthood...

Read more: http://cancer-network.org/cancer_information/gay_men_and_cancer/anal_cancer_hiv_and_gay_men.php

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

Irrelevant to this thread, as the cancers that you're speaking about most likely aren't related to a immoral sexual behavior that we call "homosexuality".

When you insinuate that health disparities are an independently sufficient criterion of immorality, all health disparities become relevant.

Anal cancer and other diseases that are overwhelmingly found amongst those that engage in homosexual behavior are preventable (just don't have homosex). If you want to talk about other cancers that Black Americans are afflicted with (lung, prostate, colon, liver) it's highly unlikely that those were caused by an immoral behavior.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth4yer
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2005:
"To date, there are no confirmed cases of female-to-female sexual transmission of HIV in the United States database."

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior

Not so, refer to this link

Yes so, as the quote is dated 2005. Your link identifies 1 case in 2012, between a Lesbian couple, who had sex during menstruation and where the HIV+ partner was not on HAART (they may as well have been vampires).
As your own source notes:
Quote:
"Lesbian sex, statistically, carries the lowest risk for transmission of the HIV virus, compared to any other form of sexual contact."

You're the one that brought up that HIV/AIDS is unheard of amongst lesbos, I refuted it. As I'd shown in other parts of this 3 part thread, lesbians have other problems because of their immoral lifestyle (depression, cigarette addiction, overweight and obesity, alcohol abuse, etc.).

Keep in mind that because a good percent of lesbians are bisexual, HIV/AIDS is still a threat as they sleep with homosexual or bisexual males that are infected.
http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianhealth/a/LesbianAIDS_2.htm

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I won't take this one at its face value [UN report on heterosexual AIDS epidemic], because they're obviously claiming that the supposed AIDS epidemic in Africa is legitimate.

An epidemic of any disease can't be "illegitimate", it just is, rather like natural disasters.

If this supposed AIDS epidemic really isn't AIDS related, then those tens of millions of dollars going to AIDS research (and lining pro homosexual politicians and organizations pockets) are not being used legitimately.

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Keep in mind that the heterosexual females here in the US (mostly black women) that have contracted HIV/AIDS, contracted it from black bisexual males who were "On the down low" (refer to table of contents for numerous posts talking about that).

Your anecdotal evidence is useless except for the substantiation of anecdotal claims (such as that one lesbian couple have managed to transmit HIV). Why do you think black men are sometimes "on the down low" anyway? Hint: It's because of people like you.

Or maybe like you, they're ashamed to admit that they're a pervert.

Dr Moncrieffe, 2010, UN Development Programme: Jamaica:
"Across the Caribbean, HIV prevalence is higher (among MSM) in those countries that criminalize homosexuality".
http://www.jm.undp.org/files/UNCCA.pdf

Homosexuality isn't illegal here in the US, yet many black males continue to be "on the down low". Nice try, but don't blame it on criminalization.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Of course the act itself has nothing to do with the disproportionate amount of disease and early death of those who engage in homosexual behavior [sarcasm].

What act? There are many "acts" between homosexuals, just as there are among heterosexuals. There is no significantly early death. Go ahead and show me one of the ~three studies on this so I can correct your misrepresentations or point out their methodological flaws. Black people have a lower life-expectancy than white btw and men a lower one than women. Even were a higher disease burden partially resultant from homosexual interactions independently of minority stress, heterosexist condemnation of homosexuals on those grounds would still be hypocritical, given the minority stress effect.

I've linked studies and of course they are all LIES! LIES! LIES! (because they came from sources not approved by the sodomite movement).

Have you ever noticed that there are a disproportionate amount of clinics that deal with those who engage in homosexual behavior, considering that they represent only 1-2% of the population?
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3219458&postcount=2108

Also go to the Bay Area Reporter obituary website that I linked earlier in the 3rd part of this thread. Be it disease, violence or substance abuse, homosexuality is a "deathstyle".
http://obit.glbthistory.org/olo/index.jsp

Other cities have homosexual obituary websites as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
As you've shown throughout your long post, homosexuality hasn't done anything good for the human race other can cause disease, misery, early death, and without repentance, eternal damnation.

The diverse array of potential human interactions aren't obligated to do anything "good" for the human race. Many people derive great joy from their relationships, whether platonic, romantic or sexual and it is for those engaging in any relationship to decide whether to pursue it or not. It is not for unaffected external individuals, such as yourself, to dictate how others can or cannot live their lives.

Any relationship you might have is unlikely to do anything "good" for the human race but that does not mean you should be disentitled from pursuing one. Go on, come at me with a procreation argument, you know I'm just waiting for it .

My relationship with my wife has brought many wonderful things: spiritual growth, children. Your lifestyle only brings disease and misery (not once have I ever had my doctor ask if I've been "tested", can you say the same?).

 

[GFR7]

My relationship with my wife has brought many wonderful things: spiritual growth, children. Your lifestyle only brings disease and misery (not once have I ever had my doctor ask if I've been "tested", can you say the same?).

You forgot to mention the passel of grandkids and great-grandkids you have. lain:

 

[aCultureWarrior]

You forgot to mention the passel of grandkids and great-grandkids you have. lain:

I'm not at that stage in my life yet GFR7/Scot, but when I get there I'll help teach them the things in The Book that you are obviously afraid to pick up and read.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Tis time for some more entertainment in the WHMBR! Part 3 thread.

While watching the tube last night I heard this song in the background of a Miller Lite commercial.

This goes out to my buddy rocketman, who does this sort of thing for a living.

Apollo 100-Joy

 

[GFR7]

I'm not at that stage in my life yet GFR7/Scot, but when I get there I'll help teach them the things in The Book that you are obviously afraid to pick up and read.

Why you lying, no-good, two-bit, blabbering old fool and first class idjut. lain: :loser:

 

[Truths4yer]

they won't even come out and admit that they're practicing homosexuals themselves.

It's not clear what a "practising homosexual" is but the personal attributes of those who you debate with are irrelevant to whether or not they identify flaws in your claims. They may be relevant in instances of hypocrisy however of course but it is difficult to see how that could relate to the context you describe.

it was well established early on in the thread that anything that people of faith say, especially when it comes to being derogatory towards homosexuality, has to be a lie.

Fortunately I don't need to make any such claims. It is not unreasonable to identify strong bias however, provided it is evidenced, rather than asserted.

"National LGBT Cancer Network":
Each year anal cancer is diagnosed in about 2 people out of every 100,000 people in the general population. Current estimates are that HIV negative MSMs are 20 times more likely to be diagnosed with anal cancer. Their rate is about 40 cases per 100,000. HIV-positive MSMs are up to 40 times more likely to diagnosed with the disease, resulting in a rate of 80 anal cancer cases per 100,000 people...

You either didn't read or didn't understand my reply to this.
Here is the key part again:

Newman et al. 2008, Journal of Gay Lesbian Social Services, 20(4), 328–353:
"Experts suggest that the rate of anal cancer diagnosed among immunocompetent gay men rivals the cervical cancer rate observed among women prior to the introduction of mass cytology screening strategies begun in the mid 1950s".

Here is your own source making roughly the same point:

"since cervical pap smears have become a routine part of women's health care, cervical cancer rates have dropped dramatically, from rates that resemble HIV+ MSM's anal cancer rates (80 per 100,000) to the current rate of approximately 2 per 100,000."

This source even puts the cervical cancer incidence just below 200 per 100,000 pre-pap-screening, likely because many uterine cancers were erroneously classed as cervical (and it corrects for that).
https://www.princeton.edu/~ota/disk3/1981/8104/810404.PDF#page=17

So it is as I said, just a change in location which is affected (mostly cervix for heteros, mostly anus for MSM). The only disparity here is one of healthcare provision. Here is your own source again.

"The anus and the cervix are biologically similar and both are target chambers for HPV infection1,2. The same screening methodology (pap smear) can be used to test the anus for cancer and pre-cancerous cell changes. A growing number of gay physicians and health activists now believe that routine screening, using an anal pap smear, could reduce the incidence of anal cancer as dramatically as it has cervical cancer in women."

diseases that are overwhelmingly found amongst those that engage in homosexual behavior are preventable (just don't have homosex).

All STIs are preventable... (just don't have any sex). Go on, "procreation", just try it. The only ones who are entitled to decide who has sex and when are the ones who... you guessed it... are having sex. Condoms, vaccinations, screening and avoidance of serodiscordant partners etc are all other viable mechanisms of prophylaxis. If you were genuinely concerned with STIs, rather than with using people's misfortune to bolster your irrational dislike of homosexuals, then you'd promote these instead.

If you want to talk about other cancers that Black Americans are afflicted with (lung, prostate, colon, liver) it's highly unlikely that those were caused by an immoral behavior.

How would you know? You haven't even demonstrated that MSM's STIs are the result of immoral behaviour yet... but I have... they result from your immoral behaviour.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2005:
"To date, there are no confirmed cases of female-to-female sexual transmission of HIV in the United States database."

"Lesbian sex, statistically, carries the lowest risk for transmission of the HIV virus, compared to any other form of sexual contact."

You're the one that brought up that HIV/AIDS is unheard of amongst lesbos, I refuted it.

No, I quoted the CDC stating that no cases had been identified in 2005. You presented one from 2012, which didn't remotely detract from my point that lesbian HIV transmission is vastly less common than hetero transmission. This makes heterosexuality an "immoral lifestyle" according to your rationale.

lesbians have other problems because of their immoral lifestyle (depression, cigarette addiction, overweight and obesity, alcohol abuse, etc.).

No, you've identified correlates of lesbianism and I've demonstrated that in studies of homosexuals (I.E. where the control group is homosexual so that "homosexuality" is excluded as a variable), it turns out that heterosexism causes these disparities I.E. you do, not lesbianism. Here are a sample and oh yes, I've dealt with the obesity claim before too, don't you worry.

Catlin et al. 2010, Journal of Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Nursing, 23(4), 205-213:
"Family acceptance predicts greater self-esteem, social support, and general health status; it also protects against depression, substance abuse, and suicidal ideation and behaviors".

Hatzenbuehler et al. 2011, Drug and Alcohol Dependence, 115(3), 213-220:
"Results indicated significant indirect effects from discrimination to alcohol-related problems through negative affect and coping motives".

Blosnich et al. 2011, Nicotine & Tobacco Research, 13(12), 1284-1295:
"After adjusting for age and race, lesbians/gays who were in physical fights or were physically assaulted had higher proportional odds of being current smokers when compared with their lesbian/gay counterparts who did not experience those stressors."

Richardson et al. 2003, Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine, 157(8), 739-745:
"Depressed late adolescent girls were at a greater than 2-fold increased risk for obesity in adulthood compared with their nondepressed female peers. A dose-response relationship between the number of episodes of depression during adolescence and risk for adult obesity was also observed in female subjects."

Zigman et al. 2011, Journal of Clinical Investigation, DOI:10.1172/JCI57660:
"The popular media and personal anecdotes are rich with examples of stress-induced eating of calorically dense “comfort foods.” Such behavioral reactions likely contribute to the increased prevalence of obesity in humans experiencing chronic stress or atypical depression."

Keep in mind that because a good percent of lesbians are bisexual, HIV/AIDS is still a threat as they sleep with homosexual or bisexual males that are infected.

A threat to them, not you or anybody else. A threat derived from heterosexual interactions.

Dr Moncrieffe, 2010, UN Development Programme: Jamaica:
"Across the Caribbean, HIV prevalence is higher (among MSM) in those countries that criminalize homosexuality".

Homosexuality isn't illegal here in the US, yet many black males continue to be "on the down low". Nice try, but don't blame it on criminalization.

Your simplistic black and white thinking lets you down here again. There are such things as spectrums, such as of the prevalence of covert bisexuality.

I've linked studies and of course they are all LIES! LIES! LIES! (because they came from sources not approved by the sodomite movement).

I've not once accused you of lying when it comes to studies. I critically dissect your claims and demonstrate how they amount to nothing. If you present a source which isn't peer-reviewed or from a reputable organisation obviously I may question its reliability but that would usually be an issue of misrepresentation, rather than outright lying. I haven't even had to do that so far.

My relationship with my wife has brought many wonderful things: spiritual growth, children. Your lifestyle only brings disease and misery (not once have I ever had my doctor ask if I've been "tested", can you say the same?).

You know almost nothing of my lifestyle and your relationship has brought you nothing that could not arise from a same-sex relationship. Go on, I'm still waiting on a procreation argument lol. I haven't had to see a doctor for as long as I can remember because I'm perfectly healthy, apparently more so than you. I've never been asked if I've been "tested" no.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

In "As pure as the driven snow news" :

Michael Brown's stepfather under investigation for inciting Ferguson riots

Dec. 2, 2014

Missouri authorities are reportedly considering criminal charges against Michael Brown's stepfather, an ex-con who has served multiple prison sentences.

Louis Head, 38, is under criminal investigation after video surfaced of him telling angry mob to "burn this ***** down" following the St. Louis County grand jury decision to not indict Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson for the August 9 fatal shooting of the unarmed Brown.

Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson told CNN that multiple people have been interviewed since that night, all were with Head when the incident occurred.

"Burn this mother***** down! Burn this *itch down!" The video showed Head screaming to an angry crowd chanting "**** the police."

Head reportedly shouted for violence about 10 times, even demanding a microphone to make sure as many people as possible heard his enraged screaming, the New York Times reported.

Read more: http://www.aol.com/article/2014/12/...aing-grid7|aol20-os|dl1|sec1_lnk3&pLid=574195

Like stepfather, like stepson?

 

[GFR7]

In "As pure as the driven snow news" :

Michael Brown's stepfather under investigation for inciting Ferguson riots

Dec. 2, 2014

Missouri authorities are reportedly considering criminal charges against Michael Brown's stepfather, an ex-con who has served multiple prison sentences.

Louis Head, 38, is under criminal investigation after video surfaced of him telling angry mob to "burn this ***** down" following the St. Louis County grand jury decision to not indict Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson for the August 9 fatal shooting of the unarmed Brown.

Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson told CNN that multiple people have been interviewed since that night, all were with Head when the incident occurred.

"Burn this mother***** down! Burn this *itch down!" The video showed Head screaming to an angry crowd chanting "**** the police."

Head reportedly shouted for violence about 10 times, even demanding a microphone to make sure as many people as possible heard his enraged screaming, the New York Times reported.

Read more: http://www.aol.com/article/2014/12/...aing-grid7|aol20-os|dl1|sec1_lnk3&pLid=574195

Like stepfather, like stepson?

I fail to see how this is in any way related to the Recriminalization of Homosexuality. You have the gall to question my UKIP posts about same sex marriage???

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
...they [those defending homosexuality in this thread] won't even come out and admit that they're practicing homosexuals themselves.

It's not clear what a "practising homosexual" is but the personal attributes of those who you debate with are irrelevant to whether or not they identify flaws in your claims. They may be relevant in instances of hypocrisy however of course but it is difficult to see how that could relate to the context you describe.

My point is if homosexuality is just another lifestyle, why aren't more people coming forward and admitting it? Heck, I'm proud of being a follower of Christ and wouldn't denounce my faith even in front of a B. Hussein Obama firing squad. You're even hesitant to talk about your homosexuality, surely you're not ashamed of it are you T4y?

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
it was well established early on in the thread that anything that people of faith say, especially when it comes to being derogatory towards homosexuality, has to be a lie.

Fortunately I don't need to make any such claims. It is not unreasonable to identify strong bias however, provided it is evidenced, rather than asserted.

There are two words that I use frequently when someone is claiming that the information that I'm providing is false or not entirely accurate:

Refute it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
"National LGBT Cancer Network":
Each year anal cancer is diagnosed in about 2 people out of every 100,000 people in the general population. Current estimates are that HIV negative MSMs are 20 times more likely to be diagnosed with anal cancer. Their rate is about 40 cases per 100,000. HIV-positive MSMs are up to 40 times more likely to diagnosed with the disease, resulting in a rate of 80 anal cancer cases per 100,000 people...

You either didn't read or didn't understand my reply to this.
Here is the key part again: ...

So it is as I said, just a change in location which is affected (mostly cervix for heteros, mostly anus for MSM). The only disparity here is one of healthcare provision...

As you said, most anal cancer in men is predominately caused by anal sex. However cervical cancer in women is brought on by numerous factors:

A woman has a higher-than-average risk of developing cervical if she:
•Has had multiple sexual partners
•Began having sexual relations before the age of 18
•Has a partner who has had sexual contact with a woman with cervical cancer

Other Risk Factors

It is probable that other factors contribute to cervical cancer, such as:
•Poverty. Women who are poor may not have access to medical services that detect and treat precancerous cervical conditions. When such women develop cervical cancer, the disease usually remains undiagnosed and untreated until it has spread to other parts of the body. Women who are poor are often undernourished, and poor nutrition can also increase cervical cancer risk.
•Pap test history. Not having regular Pap tests increases the chance of unrecognized cervical cancer. Between 60% and 80% of women with newly diagnosed cervical cancer have not had a Pap test in at least five years.
•Tobacco use. Women who smoke are about twice as likely to develop cervical cancer as women who do not. The more a woman smokes - and the longer she has been smoking - the greater the risk.
•Eating habits. A diet that doesn't include ample amounts of fruits and vegetables can increase a woman's risk of developing cervical cancer.
•Weakened immune system. A woman whose immune system is weakened has a higher-than-average risk of developing cervical lesions that can become cancerous. This includes women who are HIV-positive (infected with the virus that causes AIDS). It also includes women who have received organ transplants and must take drugs to suppress the immune system so that the body won't reject the new organ.
http://ehealthmd.com/content/what-causes-cervical-cancer

Keep in mind that cervical cancer isn't confined just to heterosexual women, lesbos contract it too (in fact, lesbians are over represented when it comes to breast cancer: Studies have found that lesbians and bisexual women have higher rates of breast cancer than heterosexual women
http://www.cancer.org/healthy/findc.../cancer-facts-for-lesbians-and-bisexual-women

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
diseases that are overwhelmingly found amongst those that engage in homosexual behavior are preventable (just don't have homosex).

All STIs are preventable... (just don't have any sex). Go on, "procreation", just try it. The only ones who are entitled to decide who has sex and when are the ones who... you guessed it... are having sex. Condoms, vaccinations, screening and avoidance of serodiscordant partners etc are all other viable mechanisms of prophylaxis. If you were genuinely concerned with STIs, rather than with using people's misfortune to bolster your irrational dislike of homosexuals, then you'd promote these instead.

OR, you could abide by God's plan for human sexuality and marry a woman and be faithful to her all of your life and you wouldn't have to get vaccinations, get screened regularly or avoid serodiscordant partners, etc. etc. etc. (my my, there are so many precautions that homosexuals have to take in order not to get "sick").

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
If you want to talk about other cancers that Black Americans are afflicted with (lung, prostate, colon, liver) it's highly unlikely that those were caused by an immoral behavior.

How would you know? You haven't even demonstrated that MSM's STIs are the result of immoral behaviour yet... but I have... they result from your immoral behaviour.

Plain and simply put T4y: Whether or not I approve of your buggery, the anal sphincter muscle wasn't meant to be penetrated, and bad things happen when it is.

Quote:
Originally Posted Truths4yer

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2005:
"To date, there are no confirmed cases of female-to-female sexual transmission of HIV in the United States database."

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
You're the one that brought up that HIV/AIDS is unheard of amongst lesbos, I refuted it.

No, I quoted the CDC stating that no cases had been identified in 2005. You presented one from 2012, which didn't remotely detract from my point that lesbian HIV transmission is vastly less common than hetero transmission. This makes heterosexuality an "immoral lifestyle" according to your rationale.

If you're talking about HIV/AIDS infection by heterosexuals you better acknowledge that those who are contracting it either are:

1). Intravenous drug users (needle using junkies)*
2). Prostitutes*
3). Women who have sex with men "on the down low".

*Disproportionately represented within the homosexual lifestyle.
http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/substance-abuse.htm
http://sex-crimes.laws.com/prostitution/prostitution-statistics


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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
lesbians have other problems because of their immoral lifestyle (depression, cigarette addiction, overweight and obesity, alcohol abuse, etc.).

No, you've identified correlates of lesbianism and I've demonstrated that in studies of homosexuals (I.E. where the control group is homosexual so that "homosexuality" is excluded as a variable), it turns out that heterosexism causes these disparities I.E. you do, not lesbianism. Here are a sample and oh yes, I've dealt with the obesity claim before too, don't you worry.

Catlin et al. 2010, Journal of Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Nursing, 23(4), 205-213:
"Family acceptance predicts greater self-esteem, social support, and general health status; it also protects against depression, substance abuse, and suicidal ideation and behaviors".

(Again, if people would just accept perversion as a societal norm, then all of these problems would just go away).

Sorry T4y, but the reason the vast majority of people leave homosexual behavior (and often times desires) behind is because they know in their heart that they're doing something very wrong. Refer to the numerous testimonials throughout this 3 part thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Keep in mind that because a good percent of lesbians are bisexual, HIV/AIDS is still a threat as they sleep with homosexual or bisexual males that are infected.

A threat to them, not you or anybody else.

It's a Christian compassion thing that you atheists can't relate to (Love your neighbor as you'd love yourself).

A threat derived from heterosexual interactions.

I believe that bisexual is the "B" in the LGBT acronym.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior

Homosexuality isn't illegal here in the US, yet many black males continue to be "on the down low". Nice try, but don't blame it on criminalization.

Your simplistic black and white thinking lets you down here again. There are such things as spectrums, such as of the prevalence of covert bisexuality.

"Covert bisexuality"? Whatever happened to being proud of your sexual orientation?

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I've linked studies and of course they are all LIES! LIES! LIES! (because they came from sources not approved by the sodomite movement).

I've not once accused you of lying when it comes to studies. I critically dissect your claims and demonstrate how they amount to nothing. If you present a source which isn't peer-reviewed or from a reputable organisation obviously I may question its reliability but that would usually be an issue of misrepresentation, rather than outright lying. I haven't even had to do that so far.

"Peer reviewed" = both the American Psychological Association and American Psychiatric Association which I've shown throughout the threads are permeated by homosexual activists.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior

My relationship with my wife has brought many wonderful things: spiritual growth, children. Your lifestyle only brings disease and misery (not once have I ever had my doctor ask if I've been "tested", can you say the same?).

You know almost nothing of my lifestyle and your relationship has brought you nothing that could not arise from a same-sex relationship. Go on, I'm still waiting on a procreation argument lol. I haven't had to see a doctor for as long as I can remember because I'm perfectly healthy, apparently more so than you. I've never been asked if I've been "tested" no.

Then maybe (paraphrasing Rusha) you're not a "real homosexual"?

Here's what your lifestyle brings: death.

 

[GFR7]

You forgot mummification , you. first. class. idiot. :AMR1:

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/uk-gay-man-dies-after-being-mummified021214

 

[Uberpod1]

Truths4yer seems like he could outwit aCW in a single bound. Speaking of single, I wonder if he is.