Why Calvinist Cannot Defend Their Doctrine of a Limited Atonement

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Robert Pate

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Brother Ducky said:
Not sure whether B57 can or can't post a cogent support for Limited Atonement, but AMR has, and it seems to me that you and others choose to not deal with the content, preferring to be cowed by the length. If you are correct you should be willing to think and work with whatever is presented.
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AMR posted a smoke screen.

There was no scripture in the article that supported a limited atonement. The article was written by another blind Calvinist.

You should be willing to read and believe what the Bible says.

The Bible says that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.
 
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Robert Pate

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Brother Ducky said:
Not so. Not unless you posit that anything that is given or done to any has to be done for all.

At least in the version in your post, it is not "for all" but rather for "the world." It is a matter of interpretation at to exactly what that means. I believe that it does not mean any and all people.

I believe the Scriptures. And in the Scriptures where do you find the doctrine of the re-imputation of forgiven sin?
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The Bible teaches that God can and will impute sin as well as righteousness, Romans 4:8, 11, 22, 23, 24.

Who said anything about imputing forgiven sins?

If you are outside of Christ in the judgment you are lost.
 
Brother Ducky

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Robert Pate said:
The Bible teaches that God can and will impute sin as well as righteousness, Romans 4:8, 11, 22, 23, 24.

Who said anything about imputing forgiven sins?

If you are outside of Christ in the judgment you are lost.
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You insist that all are in Christ.

Your whole theological system is based on certain aspects of salvation being applied to all humans: reconciliation, atonement, and being in Christ. Unless you are going to argue that people reconciled to God still have chargeable sin, or that people Christ has atoned for have chargeable sin, or that those in Christ have chargeable sin, you have to consider all sin forgiven, or you have to say that reconciliation, being in Christ, and atonement are in essence, for you, absolutely meaningless.

Where in Scripture is sin ever imputed back to anyone?
 
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Robert Pate

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Brother Ducky said:
You insist that all are in Christ.

Your whole theological system is based on certain aspects of salvation being applied to all humans: reconciliation, atonement, and being in Christ. Unless you are going to argue that people reconciled to God still have chargeable sin, or that people Christ has atoned for have chargeable sin, or that those in Christ have chargeable sin, you have to consider all sin forgiven, or you have to say that reconciliation, being in Christ, and atonement are in essence, for you, absolutely meaningless.

Where in Scripture is sin ever imputed back to anyone?
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God has reconciled the world unto himself by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:19, does not mean everybody is saved. What it means is that Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and that Jesus is Lord.

God is at peace with the world because of the doing and the dying of Jesus, Colossians 1:20. This does not mean that there will not be a judgment of individuals. When Jesus returns there will be a judgment of individuals to see who is in Christ and who is not in Christ. Those that are not in Christ will have their sins imputed back to them and they will be condemned.

This is why the scripture says... "Blessed is the man to whom the Lord does not impute sin" Romans 4:8.
 
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Robert Pate said:
God has reconciled the world unto himself by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:19, does not mean everybody is saved. What it means is that Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and that Jesus is Lord.

God is at peace with the world because of the doing and the dying of Jesus, Colossians 1:20. This does not mean that there will not be a judgment of individuals. When Jesus returns there will be a judgment of individuals to see who is in Christ and who is not in Christ. Those that are not in Christ will have their sins imputed back to them and they will be condemned.

This is why the scripture says... "Blessed is the man to whom the Lord does not impute sin" Romans 4:8.
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You can quote scripture all day long, TULIP is the Gospel and you don't believe it!
 
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Robert Pate

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beloved57 said:
You can quote scripture all day long, TULIP is the Gospel and you don't believe it!
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What you just said is...

I don't care what the bible says. I believe John Calvin and that is it.

You prefer the words of a heretic, rather than the word of God.
 
Brother Ducky

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Robert Pate said:
The Bible teaches that God can and will impute sin as well as righteousness, Romans 4:8, 11, 22, 23, 24.

Who said anything about imputing forgiven sins?

If you are outside of Christ in the judgment you are lost.
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Still looking for your Scriptural basis for holding that there is some kind of re-imputation of sin/s. If you are throwing out Romans 4:8 as a support for your belief in re-imputation, be advised that it says nothing of the kind. So just where is the re-imputation of sins taught in scripture.
 
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Robert Pate

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Brother Ducky said:
Still looking for your Scriptural basis for holding that there is some kind of re-imputation of sin/s. If you are throwing out Romans 4:8 as a support for your belief in re-imputation, be advised that it says nothing of the kind. So just where is the re-imputation of sins taught in scripture.
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Jesus imputes sin and righteousness and he does it in the judgment, John 16:8-11. Where else would he impute sin and righteousness?
 
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