WORLD: 1. The earth. 2. A part of the earth. 3. The universe. 4. A division of existing or created things belonging to the earth: the animal world. 5. The human inhabitants of the earth.
Why Calvinist Cannot Defend Their Doctrine of a Limited Atonement
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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WORLD: 1. The earth. 2. A part of the earth. 3. The universe. 4. A division of existing or created things belonging to the earth: the animal world. 5. The human inhabitants of the earth.
Brother Ducky
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Could it be some of the human inhabitants of the earth?
God has set limits on everything.
Time is going to run out
There is a stopping point to the universe
And not every sin is atoned for.
If every sin is atoned for then no one can be sent to Hell. If Christ has atoned for your sins then on judgment day in God's eyes you have no sin.
Time is going to run out
There is a stopping point to the universe
And not every sin is atoned for.
If every sin is atoned for then no one can be sent to Hell. If Christ has atoned for your sins then on judgment day in God's eyes you have no sin.
If the atonement was for just some and not all then you have an unjust God.
The Bible says it was for all. 1 John 2:2.
Why is it you cannot believe the scriptures?
The Bible clearly and plainly says that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. Salvation is available for all who want it, Romans 10:13.
You just limited the atonement by saying it is for all who want it. So what is all the fuss about? Robert Pate limits atonement. John Calvin limits atonement.
Are you coming out of the closet?
beloved57
Well-known member
Invalid and false comment not supported by scripture !
You dont believe the Gospel, so you dont believe or understand those verses !
God does not impose salvation on anyone. If you want it you will have to receive it as a free gift from God, John 1:12.
beloved57
Well-known member
Invalid comment without scripture support!
When are you going to post a refutal to the false doctrine of a limited atonement?
Maybe its because you can't.
This is the simplicity of Free will doctrine. No formulas to follow.
Romans 10:13 Modern English Version (MEV)
13 For, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Wow, it doesn't say just Calvinists does it.
beloved57
Well-known member
When you going to prove TULIP is not the Gospel?
Atonement is not limited to just Calvinists.
What was the Gospel before Calvinism?
Brother Ducky
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Not so. Not unless you posit that anything that is given or done to any has to be done for all.
At least in the version in your post, it is not "for all" but rather for "the world." It is a matter of interpretation at to exactly what that means. I believe that it does not mean any and all people.
I believe the Scriptures. And in the Scriptures where do you find the doctrine of the re-imputation of forgiven sin?
Brother Ducky
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I would say "limited" not "very limited." And you are correct in that Pate's views lead to Universalism. He tries to avoid that with a somewhat peculiar doctrine of the re-imputaton of sin. If he has a hint of where he got that, he seems to be unwilling to disclose it.
It might be a doctrine unique to Pate, I know of no others who hold to the doctrine.
Brother Ducky
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Not many Reformed would so say.
Brother Ducky
New member
I guess it would be simple. The problem of "free will salvation" is that there does not seem to be a Biblical anthropology which would allow the free will acceptance of the offer of the gospel.
Brother Ducky
New member
Not sure whether B57 can or can't post a cogent support for Limited Atonement, but AMR has, and it seems to me that you and others choose to not deal with the content, preferring to be cowed by the length. If you are correct you should be willing to think and work with whatever is presented.
The whole Bible refutes TULIP. You are just to blind to see it.