Hello. McFly!!!
Hello. McFly!!!
Please note, extraneous space, meaningless drivel, silly ideas and downright heresy has been removed from the quoted portions of my response. IMHO responding to foolishness only encourages the demons to bring more of it the next time.
Originally posted by JustAChristian
Putting it simpl
, if you or BChristianK or lighthouse and others would show one example of Holy Spirit baptism that caused the sins of an individual to be "washed away" or "buried" or "put off" or "caused one to become into Christ" then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
That's not His Office, it is to convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgement. He does it on His Own, but prefers to use His Body.
On the contrary, I believe I understand the office of the Holy Spirit quite well.
Understanding how to swim, without ever getting into water, will get one drowned. You have to get 'wet' to be a swimmer. You're a landlubber.
You like using the word "genuflect" don't you?
I plagiarized it from one of my favorite movies: The Wizard of Oz.
I wish I would see you using "obey" or "obedience" a little more.
Thanks, but since I'm not your servant, I'll continue to obey The One Whose I am.
Yes, Ananias and Sapphira really got zapped!.
No, the saying, "Be sure your sin will find you out," came true that day, and continues forever. You can be sure, as well.
And yes, lot of people are heading the same road to destruction, the bible tells us (Matthew 7:13).
Amen, they are; but, thank God, He has millions who have not bowed the knee to the enemy, and have washed their garments in His Own Blood. Glory to God!!!
The Holy Spirit has his work every day... "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."
Have you ever heard Him speak?
That work however, is not to cleanse one of sins of Himself.
Hello. McFly!!! No one is saying that it is, except you, on the defensive, because you're trying to find fault with what The Spirit of The Lord is doing to your heart.
He then indwells the saved.
Then why didn't He indwell the believers that Paul met, when He asked them if they had received The Holy Ghost. He is only
with the saved, but He is
in those who invite Him, by asking The Father for His Presence inside of them. It is very intimate, and He requires that we give Him invitation, because He will stand and knock all day long, and we can even open the door, but until we invite Him in, He can't come in.
He will never indwell the unsaved in order to cause him or her to be saved.
You're wrong, or, at least, so I believe. He spoke to my uncle, without him ever having heard The Gospel, and brought him to his knees in tears of repentance (it took him hours of crying to completely confess to The Lord all of his sin) and told him to call upon Jesus, as Savior and Lord, for the forgiveness of his sins, and that he would have eternal life. He was a drunken, womanizing... well, that's another story, anyway, the change was overnight, and he is still Christian after 31 years of ministry, and he is VERY Spirit-filled. He lives in Broken Arrow, OK, where his daughter went to school (at Rhema Bible Training Center) with Donna Douglas (Ellie Mae Clampett, on the old TV series: The Beverly Hillbillies).
I believe that there is a portion of Revelation that speaks of angels who preach The Gospel. I believe that when The Church is gone off of this earth, The Lord will resort to Supernatural methods of getting His Word out to the lost sheep, and if He chooses to get it to someone without any help, that's His Business, not mine.
Those who are asking faithfully will receive the Spirit.
You are correct, and when He comes in, there is no doubt that you have been baptized.
The purpose of miracles has ceased (1 Cor. 13:10; John 20:30-31).
Let's take a little closer look at your Scripture references, shall we?
I Corinthians 13:8-10
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
OK, so, according to you, prophecy, tongues and knowledge have ceased, right? If prophecy truly has ceased, then why are there prophets today? Don't you realize that The Mystery of The Lord is still in place? When what you have espoused already has really takes place, which, by the way, it will, in this earth; when that takes place, that is, when His Mystery is revealed, and His Prophets declare His Mystery to the earth, many things will be made clear. There are several parts of what Daniel wrote that were sealed, and have yet to be broken open. There was also mystery revealed to John, and then it was re-sealed. That has not been unveiled yet. There is much more to come, and He will use His prophets as He wills.
If tongues has ceased, then why don't we understand one another, all over the earth, as will happen when this prophecy is fulfilled? This is the prophecy that the confusion of languages dropped upon mankind at Babel is un-done.
If there is no knowledge (outside of Truth) then how come the children of Ishmael and the children of Esau (as well as Buddhists, JW's, SDA, Catholics, Baptists, etc. and etc. have not come to a knowledge of The Whole Truth yet? Could it be that The Whole Truth cannot be revealed, except it be manifested by all The Sons of God coming together?
By the way, what do you believe the purpose of miracles is? These signs that you have posted scripture reference to are for unbelievers to see that God is, and that He is good. They are not, indeed, miracles, other than the fact that they are manifestations of His Holy Spirit, which is pretty miraculous. I believe that miracles, such as what Jesus did, ought to be performed by The Body of Christ at The Whim of The Lord, and that we would have gotten this job (preaching The Gospel to every creature) done a long time ago if we would lend ourselves to Him for the manifestation of His Miracles, whenever He wills.
Please note that Paul said that we know in part, and that we prophecy in part. He didn't say that they were different principles for different persons (apostles vs. laymen) did he? Everyone knows what they have studied and what they have heard or experienced. Everyone (who wishes to do so) may also prophecy. The Lord gives good gifts to His children; and He does so whether you believe that He does or not.
Your second Scripture reference was:
John 20:30-31
And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: but these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Yes. That's good. And you think that you should make a doctrine of 'no more miracles' in this day and age because of this verse? Puhhleaze, get a clue. This verse has nothing to do with miracles having 'passed away' as you seem to believe. Jesus said that the works that He did, we would do, and even greater. I don't believe that The Church, The True Body of Christ, has even done the 'works' yet, let alone greater than what The Lord demonstrated. We will, though. His Word says so. You can take His Word to the bank (I am speaking metaphorically).
The means of conveying the Spirit has ceased with the deaths of the apostles (Acts 8:14-17; Acts 19:1-6). Only apostles could convey the Spirit.
Wrong!!! John said that Jesus would baptize us with The Holy Spirit. He did die, but that was so that He could send The Holy Ghost. He is The One Who taught us that we should ask The Father for His Presence in our lives:
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Jesus baptized the apostles on Pentecost and the household of Cornelius at the preaching of Peter. This constituted "all flesh" of Joel's prophesy.
Only in your twisted little imagination. 'All flesh' means every soul alive. Joel didn't say, "...a handful." This is one of the double-meaning prophecies, which you obviously don't see the truth of.
The outpouring of the Holy Spirit is merely a figurative expression to indicate abundant gifts of the Spirit.
No, it is The Heavenly Father pouring out His Essence upon all flesh, and He is also The Earnest of our inheritance.
I have no authority to make up my own doctrine.
So why do you cling to it and continually defend it?
Paul tell us..."And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. (Colossians 3:17)
Yes, that is well and good, if, indeed, you do that. It would be best to try to do that by being obedient to Him, too, though:
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, "Receive ye the Holy Ghost."
:flamer:
Sorry, but on a bulletin board where most of the moderators are un-Spirit-filled believers, the smiley named 'Flamer' is the closest that comes to one that looks like it has, "...cloven tongues, like as of fire," which is what I was actually looking for.
