ECT What gospel was Paul saved under?

[Danoh]

No wonder you have no vision of the future Kingdom of God on earth.

You are not qualified for it.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

LA

That's rich; the blind attempting to lead the blind :chuckle:

You have neither a clue as to what those passages are actually talking about, nor about the chronological order of things they are actually describing and completely rely on, for their fulfillment.

This, despite so much material throughout Scripture on every aspect of the various parts of it all that just those few passages alone are nevertheless so richly based on.

 

[Ask Mr. Religion]

I read the three false premises and stopped there.

I would expect nothing less from someone that puts "Mr. Religion" in their name.

Then don't bother implying no support for the view exists if you are this intellectually lazy. :AMR:

That is the problem with "right dividers". It only applies if one is committed to dispensational notions. Sigh.

AMR

 

[Lazy afternoon]

That's rich; the blind attempting to lead the blind :chuckle:

You have neither a clue as to what those passages are actually talking about, nor about the chronological order of things they are actually describing and completely rely on, for their fulfillment.

This, despite so much material throughout Scripture on every aspect of the various parts of it all that just those few passages alone are nevertheless so richly based on.

Your opinion is worthless.

LA

 

[Interplanner]

That's rich; the blind attempting to lead the blind :chuckle:

You have neither a clue as to what those passages are actually talking about, nor about the chronological order of things they are actually describing and completely rely on, for their fulfillment.

This, despite so much material throughout Scripture on every aspect of the various parts of it all that just those few passages alone are nevertheless so richly based on.

Why do you see so much emphasis on "chronological order" out of these verses from Matthew? I don't get that at all.

What are "those few passages" when you just said it was all throughout Scripture? Make up your mind.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Grosnick does not realize how graceful we are toward him,

I don't NEED your grace (small g) I have God's Grace. By the way, the Scripture verses you used in this post were meant for the House of Israel alone. Not for the Gentiles. You're monumentally confused. Also, don't forget to stay off of that LA Freeway, it's always congested.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Your opinion is worthless.

LA

I hate to say this about you LA, however, you're one of the most ignorant posters on TOL. I'm almost certain it's not your fault. However, who else can we blame?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

I read the three false premises and stopped there.

I would expect nothing less from someone that puts "Mr. Religion" in their name.

Good post. As usual, you're right on the money.

 

[Right Divider]

Then don't bother implying no support for the view exists if you are this intellectually lazy. :AMR:

That is the problem with "right dividers". It only applies if one is committed to dispensational notions. Sigh.

AMR

I'm curious why I'm "intellectually lazy" because a refuse to read a document that is based on three premises, ALL of which are false. Sigh.

 

[andyc]

I'm curious why I'm "intellectually lazy" because a refuse to read a document that is based on three premises, ALL of which are false. Sigh.

Because this is a debate forum, and you're supposed to explain where you think it's false.

 

[Right Divider]

Because this is a debate forum, and you're supposed to explain where you think it's false.

1. Covenant theology structures all of Biblical revelation.
2. The form of the covenants revealed in Scripture was borrowed from and is accommodated to the ancient near eastern world and must be understood in that context.
3. Covenant is the most coherent explanation for Biblical revelation and the nature and authority of the canon.

#1 is a self-fulfilling prophecy, everyone claims this about THEIR "structure" for Bible revelation --- untrue
#2 is pure speculation with no foundation whatsoever --- untrue
#3 is also a purely conceited self-fulfilling statement, everyone claims this about THEIR framework for explaining Biblical revelation is the most coherent --- untrue.

 

[jamie]

I don't NEED your grace (small g) I have God's Grace. By the way, the Scripture verses you used in this post were meant for the House of Israel alone. Not for the Gentiles.

Oh, good point, Jesus is a Jew and the gospel he preached is for Israel. Salvation is of the Jews ... too bad that leaves you out.

 

[Interplanner]

Oh, good point, Jesus is a Jew and the gospel he preached is for Israel. Salvation is of the Jews ... too bad that leaves you out.

GM does not acknowledge the problems with 2P2P.

 

[jamie]

GM does not acknowledge the problems with 2P2P.

Yes, I know, he believes in two different gospels for two different churches.

Jesus is the head of the church for Israel but Jesus never established a Gentile church nor did he permit Paul to do so.

Gentiles are welcomed into the NT church of God of whom Jesus is the head.

 

[Interplanner]

Yes, I know, he believes in two different gospels for two different churches.

Jesus is the head of the church for Israel but Jesus never established a Gentile church nor did he permit Paul to do so.

Gentiles are welcomed into the NT church of God of whom Jesus is the head.

And unbelieving Jews (and all unbelievers) were not welcome into it.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

GM does not acknowledge the problems with 2P2P.

Because there isn't any.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Oh, good point, Jesus is a Jew and the gospel he preached is for Israel. Salvation is of the Jews ... too bad that leaves you out.[/QUOTE]

When the Ascended Christ appeared before Saul, that subsequently changed.

 

[Interplanner]

Oh, good point, Jesus is a Jew and the gospel he preached is for Israel. Salvation is of the Jews ... too bad that leaves you out.[/QUOTE]

When the Ascended Christ appeared before Saul, that subsequently changed.

Not changed, just clarified that Judaism had it wrong.

 

[jamie]

When the Ascended Christ appeared before Saul, that subsequently changed.

What changed and why?

 

[jamie]

Israel was changed ... changed into the kingdom of God. (Colossians 1:13-14)

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

What changed and why?

Paul received the "Grace Message" from the Ascended Lord Jesus Christ and was made the Apostle to the Gentiles. Peter continued to preach the "Kingdom Message" to the House of Israel.