I have no idea what the heck you're talking about!
Maybe if you spoke in more than ten syllable posts, the discussion would be more productive.
What does God's Holy Law Demand?
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Maybe if you spoke in more than ten syllable posts, the discussion would be more productive.
JonahofAkron
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Sorry, let me clarify before you post some snide and rude comment.
The ends that you discuss are not biblical. Where do you get those assumptions? Paul being the first of the Body? Two separate gospels? This is incredibly disturbing.
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Nope that most certainly is NOT what James says. He makes the exact OPPOSITE point that Paul makes using the same man as an example!
James states EXPLICITLY that you are saved BY WORKS!
Paul states EXPLICITLY that it is he "WHO DOES NOT WORK" but believes that is saved.
James 2: 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
They say opposite things. If your doctrine is correct, one of them is a liar. If mine is correct, both mean exactly what they seem to mean, they're simply talking to two different audiences.
Resting in Him,
Clete
JonahofAkron
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Then there are two gospels. What are their messages?
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They aren't assumptions and to establish them biblically would require hours and hours and thousands of words.
If you're actually interested in a full biblical establishment of these doctrines there are lots of resources from which to choose. Here's two...
The Plot by Bob Enyart
Things That Differ by C.R. Stam
The first is better (the best I've seen) but is not free. The second is good but does make what I feel are some small mistakes. It is free.
Enjoy!
Resting in Him,
Clete
The James and Romans passages sum both up pretty nicely. Nutshelled to be sure but still, in effect, you are preaching one and I the other.
God's Truth
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How do you get your put downs are the right thing to do?
I might not always write a lot of words, but what I do say has a lot of meaning.
You write too much.
Who wants to spend so much time readying all that?
I expected that response. Welcome to the paradigm wall!
Your paradigm won't allow you to see it, no matter what I say because you've not been brought to a place where you'll even permit the notion that your own paradigm could conceivably be incorrect. That's not a criticism of you, that's just the way the human mind works. Attempting to convince you of my doctrine would be akin to trying to convince 12th century Catholics that the Earth orbited the Sun. The context just isn't there to allow it.
However, I will provide a hand full of verses that might help you at least see that I'm not just pulling this stuff out of thin air...
"...those who were saved under the law, remained under it until their physical death..." Romans 11:29
"...Paul was the first member of the Body of Christ, the first to be saved under the Gospel of Grace." 1 Timothy 1:15-16
"...the twelve agreed with Paul that they would stay in Israel and minister to "The Circumcision" and he (Paul) would go to the "Uncircumcision" (i.e. the Gentiles)." Galatians 2:9
That's a taste. Understand, however, that I avoid proof texting at almost any cost and do not intend the above to even be an argument, never mind proof. It's intended only to demonstrate that I'm not just making this stuff up our of whole cloth.
Resting in Him,
Clete
God's Truth
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Wow. That is nonsense. Paul tells us why Jesus sent him. It was to show that even people with grave sins could be forgiven---that is what Paul explains.
God's Truth
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Clete made up stuff.
Treating people who say stupid things as though they haven't, tacitly endorses their stupidity.
Further, I've been no more hostile toward you than you have been toward me (see post immediately preceding this one). No hypocrisy, please!
If you post substance, I'll respond with substance. If you want to be hostile, I'll do that too. You pick.
You have to at least write enough to allow what you say to retain the context you intend. I have no idea what you're referring to when you say that I said that Jesus was a Jew to you. Of course He was a Jew! Who ever suggested otherwise and in what context? I cannot read your mind.
No one is forcing you to read any of it! I write what I want. I try my best not to be a waste of time but if you feel like I am a waste of your time then there's a simple solution for you. Don't read my posts! It's no skin off my nose! There's a list of people as long as my arm that seem to really enjoy the things I write and seem to get a lot out of it, which is what keeps me here doing all this. If you're not in that group, how is that my problem? I don't solicit your approval nor do I need it. I have no doubt that we have at least that much in common.
Resting in Him,
Clete
Ben Masada
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One is a murder until proven innocent. During all the time in a city of refuge and the High Priest is alive, if the killer, by accident or not, flees the city and is caught by the avenger of the blood and is killed, nothing will happen to the avenger of the blood. However, if the avenger of the blood pursues the man slayer, even into the city of refuge, the avenger of the blood becomes a murder himself.
Fantastic system of justice! Don't you think so Jacob?
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Again, you are dealing with hypotheticals, and you said so. I cannot agree to that. What God has said is true and God doesn't do anything contrary to His word.
And the King will answer and say to them, "Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me." (Matthew 25:40)
Bah da bing!
I didn't suggest otherwise.
I think that perhaps its just an intelligence thing. There's nothing I said that is the slightest bit confusing or difficult to follow and yet you cannot seem to grasp it. I'll presume for your sake that it isn't that you're incapable, just willfully ignorant.
I won't waste any more time attempting to get willfully the blind to see.
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Stupidity.
Is this really the sort of thing that convinces you of things? If so, you're hopeless.
I am saying I believe God's word. Shalom.
God's Truth
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Paul tells us why Jesus sent him. It was to show that even people with grave sins could be forgiven---that is what Paul explains.
God's Truth
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Right on!