Trying to imitate Christ will put one under the law and bring them condemnation.
What does God's Holy Law Demand?
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Trying to imitate Christ will put one under the law and bring them condemnation.
JonahofAkron
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Oh.
This actually stopped me in my tracks....
So, you don't think that we should follow Messiah in action? You don't follow Him as your Rabbi? I'm genuinely concerned about you, mate?
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Here are the verses that refer to the avenger of blood. Should not there be witnesses and a court instead of a person getting even? Murder for murder does not make sense. Now there is more than one murder.
Deuteronomy 19:6 NASB - otherwise the avenger of blood might pursue the manslayer in the heat of his anger, and overtake him, because the way is long, and take his life, though he was not deserving of death, since he had not hated him previously.
Deuteronomy 19:12 NASB - then the elders of his city shall send and take him from there and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die.
Joshua 20:3 NASB - that the manslayer who kills any person unintentionally, without premeditation, may flee there, and they shall become your refuge from the avenger of blood.
Joshua 20:5 NASB - 'Now if the avenger of blood pursues him, then they shall not deliver the manslayer into his hand, because he struck his neighbor without premeditation and did not hate him beforehand.
Joshua 20:9 NASB - These were the appointed cities for all the sons of Israel and for the stranger who sojourns among them, that whoever kills any person unintentionally may flee there, and not die by the hand of the avenger of blood until he stands before the congregation.
2 Samuel 14:11 NASB - Then she said, "Please let the king remember the LORD your God, so that the avenger of blood will not continue to destroy, otherwise they will destroy my son." And he said, "As the LORD lives, not one hair of your son shall fall to the ground."
I have posted elsewhere in response.
WonderfulLordJesus
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1 John 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
1 Corinthians 11:1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
Ephesians 5
1 Therefore be imitators of God as dear children.
2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
1 John 3
1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
JonahofAkron
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It is the work of the Holy Spirit to produce Christ likeness in the life of the believer.
Trying to produce Christ likeness by the law or religion will lead to being under the law.
Trying to produce Christ likeness by the law or religion will lead to being under the law.
JonahofAkron
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That makes no sense. He lived according to the Torah. Any likeness of Him will include it. No one said to keep to get saved. That's your spam.
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Jesus was God's law incarnate in human flesh, Romans 3:21.
As our substitute and representative he has offered to God the Father a life of perfect obedience according to his Holy Law. He did this in our name and on our behalf. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
No one is under the law for righteousness sake.
The whole unbelieving world will be judged by the moral aspects of the law but no one, not one single living soul on this planet is required to become circumcised and if they do so (as a religious ritual - I'm not making reference to social/cultural practices) Christ will profit them nothing.
Resting in Him,
Clete
Thank you for proving my point, idiot.
Be more specific.
There's every likelihood that the more specific you get, the more you'll prove your own point wrong but that actually does depend on just what your point is and what exactly you mean by covenant.
Thanks so much for stating the obvious. Why do you suppose I chose murder and not some other sin? It precisely because there's no denying that its "never okay".
But that is not what I asked!
I will never understand why people come to a website to discuss religious topics and to debate doctrine but who are afraid to answer really straight forward questions.
So what if God said that it was alright to murder people if they make your really really mad?
Would that make murder good or would it make God evil?
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JonahofAkron
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I agree with that, but it doesn't prevent us from following Him in action.
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You are not a Christian.
By that I mean that you do not know Christ, you are not saved, you believe something - else. I don't really care to learn just what it is.
You ignore arguments and repeat your position as though that refutes the ignored arguments. You then ignore anything that resembles the plain reading of scripture and turn it into whatever is required to suit your quasi-Judaism/Messianic believe whatever you wantism.
In short, you're a waste of my time. I don't do one way discussions about Christian doctrine with people from other religions.
Resting in Him,
Clete
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You can't even come close.
You need to accept the fact that you are a sinner, Romans 3:10.
JonahofAkron
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I have. Very much so. That ultimately means that I'd like to stop.
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God's Truth
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That is blasphemy against Paul. Paul did not live before God as a sinner. Paul lived as a saint.
Paul did not see himself as a sinner after Jesus saved him. Paul knew the saved were holy people
Romans 1:7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 1:2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:
2 Corinthians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, together with all his holy people throughout Achaia:
Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Ephesians 1:18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people,
Ephesians 3:18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ,
...and many more.
I cannot find scripture where Paul calls us the sinners in Christ.
God's Truth
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Repent of your sins means stopping your sins.
God's Truth
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Jonah, Clete has so judged himself also.
Matthew 7:2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.