SaulToPaul 2
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No kidding.
The Old Testament temple had 3 general sections, and so does the Kingdom of God.
ECT Two MAD errors that block them together from the truth
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No kidding.
The Old Testament temple had 3 general sections, and so does the Kingdom of God.
SaulToPaul 2
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:chuckle:
Search the entirety of Daniel and you will see the man of sin ending sacrfice and oblation.
Interplanner
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To clear up something about Daniel 9, many have remarked that the mirror image of the man of sin to Messiah is curious. However, the 6 accomplishments of Messiah do end sacrifice, and they would have to because the city and sanctuary are ruined at the end of the period.
The man of sin in 8:13 leads the 'rebellion that desolates.' From 9 we know that that happens in the 70 weeks. A major rebellion happens that desolates the country.
Josephus as a priest was taught that such was coming and to be on the look out. Caiaphas knew it was coming and tried to circumvent it; he thought if he put away Christ, then no rebellion would occur, and the nation would be saved (from Dan 9).
It remains that the word-plays are very curious, and tracking the antecedent of the final verses of Dan 9 is a puzzle--if we did not have the record of history.
The man of sin in 8:13 leads the 'rebellion that desolates.' From 9 we know that that happens in the 70 weeks. A major rebellion happens that desolates the country.
Josephus as a priest was taught that such was coming and to be on the look out. Caiaphas knew it was coming and tried to circumvent it; he thought if he put away Christ, then no rebellion would occur, and the nation would be saved (from Dan 9).
It remains that the word-plays are very curious, and tracking the antecedent of the final verses of Dan 9 is a puzzle--if we did not have the record of history.
SaulToPaul 2
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Daniel 8
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
In light of that, how can you possibly misunderstand this?:
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate
The only answer is: You don't want it to be the way it clearly is. You have an agenda.
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
In light of that, how can you possibly misunderstand this?:
Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate
The only answer is: You don't want it to be the way it clearly is. You have an agenda.
No.
Christ's death ended the sacrifices and oblations of the old covenant.
The stopping of the light shining of the churches is by the churches own apostasy of chasing after the riches of the world and by accepting another King over them.
LA
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So, it was going to happen in 490 years. and the person leading the 'rebellion that desolates' was going to ruin the city. that ended the worship system in fact. Some say that casting truth down to the ground is the literalism of Judaism; they could not grasp the meaning of anything apart from Jerusalem and the worship system. They could not grasp the truth in Christ.
SaulToPaul 2
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:chuckle:
Search the entirety of Daniel and you will see the man of sin ending sacrfice and oblation.
SaulToPaul 2
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The city and sanctuary are destroyed before the final week of years begins.
It is in plain English, in your Bible.
Interplanner
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they were destroyed in that week. Obviously the last week is irregular, and I think the historic conclusion is that it was the whole generation from 30-70. Zealot rebellion was already underway (Acts 5).
They couldn't be destroyed before that week because of events that happen in them that week.
SaulToPaul 2
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Impossible. Read Daniel 9 again.
Only due to the sins of the churches.
Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Nothing to do with a stone temple, but with the endtimes churches.
Not expressed in Dan 9:27 (not the same wording)but is in Dan ch 12.
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Perhaps it is your translation. In the midst of the week, he (Messiah) solidified the new covenant and ended sacrifice and offering. The action of the one who causes desolation could have been then, too, but the time is unspecified, but no later than the desolation of the whole place.
What is the disagreement?
ClimateSanity
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When do you say the exodus occurred and when do the experts say it occurred?
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Danoh:
MAD is not about needing a thing to have to be.
As usual: as defensive as he is unclear.
MAD is not about needing a thing to have to be.
As usual: as defensive as he is unclear.
The experts place it at between 1230 and 1220 BC.
Look at the following...
1 Kings 6:1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD.
The 4th year of his reign was about 967 BC or so.
480 years earlier would be more in the neighorhood of between 1447 to 1450.
Their years in their desert wanderings adds another 40 years, which would be between about 1410 and 1400 BC.
That, brother, is about a 200 year difference.
The experts are looking about 200 years or so too late.
And we're talking some of the most respected historians, archeologists, and scholars in the world today.
They're simply wrong.
But this kind of thing is nothing new.
No thanks; I think I'll go by...
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report. 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
ClimateSanity
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All of that information is available to them. They must be using different verses and versions. I guess they see the info in I Kings as an error
Yep.
SaulToPaul 2
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:chuckle:
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Daniel 8
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Don't be a dummy. It's the same event performed by the man of sin.
Don't let your desire for it to be something else influence you to not believe the simple words.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Don't be a dummy. It's the same event performed by the man of sin.
Don't let your desire for it to be something else influence you to not believe the simple words.