Trump's Executive order: How do Pro-Life Christians defend rejecting Refugees?

[Alate_One]

It was already ruled to be constitutional.

It was? By whom?

 

[Crucible]

You aren't in control of the government. You're a dupe, a useful idiot to fuel the global fasicst movement. And we're not done fighting.

-the white conservative is the Jew
-media censorship of conservative views
-marching on businesses for uneconomical reasons
-disparaging of the Electoral College through the very schemes it was meant to dissuade
-bringing in foreigners to shape public opinion, and then claiming foreign involvement when you lose

-otherwise oppressing anyone who does not conform

All that, and you all are becoming socialists which is a precursor to communism.

YOU ARE done fighting, you just don't realize it yet- you have a Constitution to contend with, and you're not going to get a 3/4 vote by being a misery to half the country :wave2:

 

[Crucible]

If I ever stoop so low as to listen to your anti-Semitic rantings for strategy, just shoot me.

Stop using Jews as a means to make yourself look holy- you all are a bunch of moral bottom feeders.
The Jews talk crap about conservative Christians every day, they brainwashed you considerably. If it's 'Antisemitic' to acknowledge it, than so be it.

There's a reason why 'Antisemitism' is so closely correlated with high IQ's- you all fail to see the subtle agenda they have against Christian culture and how they manipulate those as yourself.

 

[Nick M]

Saudi Arabia and turkey have plenty of room for the refugees. They don't want that though.

They are not the only ones.

— ضاحي خلفان تميم (@Dhahi_Khalfan) January 29, 2017

We completely support Trump in his ban on entry to those who may cause a breach in America’s security.

 

[ok doser]

We're the richest most powerful nation in the world. What reason to we have not to take them other than being irrationally afraid?

easy


being rationally afraid

iow, there are rational reasons to be afraid of poorly conceived vetting of immigrants from certain regions of the world

 

[Angel4Truth]

So Trump has revealed the unmitigated evil of his presidency (guessing primarily Steve Bannon's advice). Starting with the unconstitutional interpretation of Trump's executive order (against green card holders) which was announced on Holocaust remembrance day as well as not mentioning Jews in the official statement of remembrance.

Hundreds of Jews prior to WWII were rejected as refugees, and were then returned to Germany to die in the death camps, because of the fear of immigrants that were "different". We are now seeing history repeating itself.

Today there are refugees from many parts of the world attempting to find safety in the USA.

Let's remember, NONE of the countries on Trump's restricted list have been a source of a terrorist on US soil.


And Terrorism aside, the Bible gives us a moral imperative to aid the stranger, and even our enemies.

Don’t mistreat or oppress an immigrant, because you were once immigrants in the land of Egypt. - Exodus 22:21 (CEB)

44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who harass you 45 so that you will be acting as children of your Father who is in heaven. He makes the sun rise on both the evil and the good and sends rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. - Matthew 25:44-45

Given this, and the fact that many of these people may die when sent back to their home country. Are Christians that support this not rejecting Christ? How can one be "pro-life" and discard the lives of refugees?

For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38 And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

How can we not expect judgement for actions like this?

"As I live," declares the Lord GOD, "Sodom, your sister and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. 49"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.

Before i answer you, do you also follow the other things listed in the OT that were commanded?

 

[Nihilo]

the Bible gives us a moral imperative to aid the stranger, and even our enemies.

Don’t mistreat or oppress an immigrant, because you were once immigrants in the land of Egypt. - Exodus 22:21 (CEB)

44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who harass you 45 so that you will be acting as children of your Father who is in heaven. He makes the sun rise on both the evil and the good and sends rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. - Matthew 25:44-45

Given this, and the fact that many of these people may die when sent back to their home country. Are Christians that support this not rejecting Christ? How can one be "pro-life" and discard the lives of refugees?

For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38 And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

How can we not expect judgement for actions like this?

"As I live," declares the Lord GOD, "Sodom, your sister and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. 49"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.

Why should any of this matter, if we believe in a separation between Church and state? Are you against the First Amendment?

 

[Angel4Truth]

Do tell also how a temporary ban till stronger vetting measures are in place, is rejection - thanks.

Would you like no laws and completely open borders?

 

[Alate_One]

Before i answer you, do you also follow the other things listed in the OT that were commanded?

Half of what I posted was from the NT. And this is about public policy. Is it in line with the *principles* we find in scripture?

 

[Alate_One]

Why should any of this matter, if we believe in a separation between Church and state? Are you against the First Amendment?

We have a secular government, and it should remain so. I asked how *Christians* could support it.

 

[Crucible]

How do Pro-Life Christians defend rejecting Refugees?

By protecting innocent people from being shot down by them.

At the cost of offending someone lain:
Oh, the injustice!

Every country that has allowed mass immigration of Muslims has been met with Muslims eventually pummeling down their roads in protest.


NEXT

 

[Jonahdog]

It was already ruled to be constitutional.

Really? When and where?

 

[Jonahdog]

easy


being rationally afraid

iow, there are rational reasons to be afraid of poorly conceived vetting of immigrants from certain regions of the world

Like the Saudi's on 9/11?

 

[ok doser]

Like the Saudi's on 9/11?

right

if we could invent a time machine and go back before 9/11/2001, it would have been a good idea to more thoroughly vet (vett? vette?) visa applicants from saudi arabia

 

[Angel4Truth]

We have a secular government, and it should remain so.

If thats your stance, why are you quoting verses out of context and demanding others receive your view?

 

[Nihilo]

We have a secular government, and it should remain so. I asked how *Christians* could support it.

By supporting a pragmatic secular government instead of one led around like a horse by a religious bit.

 

[Alate_One]

If thats your stance, why are you quoting verses out of context and demanding others receive your view?

There are Christians saying that the government should reflect Christian values, full stop. I'm asking such people to justify this executive action that's clearly against Christian moral values.

And what have I posted out of context? There are verses all over scripture commanding caring for the stranger, the vulnerable etc. Refugees are both. This isn't a random proof text to justify avoiding blood transfusions. This is a major theme of scripture. :dizzy:

I would argue in this case, Christian values and the values of the majority of secular society converge. This executive action is immoral and unwarranted. And as I've posted before, major Christian, and even evangelical organizations agree with me.

Why are you so afraid of these people?

 

[Danoh]

There are Christians saying that the government should reflect Christian values, full stop. I'm asking such people to justify this executive action that's clearly against Christian moral values.

And what have I posted out of context? There are verses all over scripture commanding caring for the stranger, the vulnerable etc. Refugees are both. This isn't a random proof text to justify avoiding blood transfusions. This is a major theme of scripture. :dizzy:

I would argue in this case, Christian values and the values of the majority of secular society converge. This executive action is immoral and unwarranted. And as I've posted before, major Christian, and even evangelical organizations agree with me.

Why are you so afraid of these people?

For the same reason they want their neandertherthal Make America Lynching White Again - their out right, alt white hypocrisy.

Christians my foot.

 

[ok doser]

Why are you so afraid of these people?

why are these people so afraid of staying in their countries?

 

[randomvim]

So Trump has revealed the unmitigated evil of his presidency (guessing primarily Steve Bannon's advice). Starting with the unconstitutional interpretation of Trump's executive order (against green card holders) which was announced on Holocaust remembrance day as well as not mentioning Jews in the official statement of remembrance.

Hundreds of Jews prior to WWII were rejected as refugees, and were then returned to Germany to die in the death camps, because of the fear of immigrants that were "different". We are now seeing history repeating itself.

Today there are refugees from many parts of the world attempting to find safety in the USA.

Let's remember, NONE of the countries on Trump's restricted list have been a source of a terrorist on US soil.


And Terrorism aside, the Bible gives us a moral imperative to aid the stranger, and even our enemies.

Don’t mistreat or oppress an immigrant, because you were once immigrants in the land of Egypt. - Exodus 22:21 (CEB)

44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who harass you 45 so that you will be acting as children of your Father who is in heaven. He makes the sun rise on both the evil and the good and sends rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. - Matthew 25:44-45

Given this, and the fact that many of these people may die when sent back to their home country. Are Christians that support this not rejecting Christ? How can one be "pro-life" and discard the lives of refugees?

For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38 And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

How can we not expect judgement for actions like this?

"As I live," declares the Lord GOD, "Sodom, your sister and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. 49"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.

1. what pro life groups or people are agreeing with the executive order? your very question assumes that a pro life person not only voted for Trump, but support everything he does by word. thats nonsense.

2. how is this evil? even considering provided passage, not every single person is being reported to being rejected or banned from entering u.s. Those from Iraq can still come here through europe or other places correct? Not supporting trump but I would like a full understanding to what order says and inforces.

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