Well, no.
Now try to imagine how he would have a Reagan moment in a debate without it involving rhetoric. I'll wait.
lain:Maybe you should think more before you hit the "Post" button and save all of us from what follows otherwise.
Trump Makes His Way Back to the Lead in Poll
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lain:
It is blatantly obvious that the media is against Trump, it is sickening.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
you're impressed by the rhetorical level of "I paid for this microphone" "we begin bombing in five minutes" and "there you go again" ? :freak:
reagan's best moments came from his plain outspokenness, his connection to the little guy, the guy who wasn't impressed by high levels of rhetoric
I didn't define those as great Reagan moments, so no. There you go again. That phrase worked because of what followed it and because of how he framed the rebuttal in a genial, humorous tone of dismissal, ending with the asking of a simple, but rhetorically effective question, "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?".
Trump plays to fear and paranoia and his rhetoric is comparatively sophomoric. Reagan wasn't above using some of that, but it's not his best and most of what he offered was of a different cloth.
High levels of rhetoric? Rhetoric is simply the art of persuasive speaking. It isn't about vocabulary, but how it is used. What we remember Reagan best for was a combination of poetic rhetorical splendor (D-day speech, Challenger speech, etc.) coupled with a frequently self-deprecating, accessible humor, and his championing of America as a dream whose best days were before her. That's what rallied people across a wide spectrum.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
It's a rhetorical "we" as in "the public at large". And the proof is in the pudding you weren't able to address.
Hope you get some ointment for that eye...or your posterior. Whatever aches worse.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
ah - so now you presume to speak for "the public at large"
i shall call you .....
Spoiler
mr pretentious said:
keep waving that flag at yourself :darwinsm:
In the same sense that noting baseball was America's game before football would be speaking for Americans, the way anything broadly known and related can be said to be that. Again, I offered more, which you won't address in your...smallness would seem to be the operative word.
Ah, well. You can have the last word here as well. What you can't have (and can't seem to exist for long without) is any more of my attention today.
:e4e:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
let's run that through the "pretentious jerk to plain english" translator and see what we get:
| i'm butthurt that you called me out so i'm going to slink off and sulk |
:thumb:
Oh please oh please, promise to ignore me too.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
The worst part of this is also the funniest, that it's probably the best thing you've ever posted here. :rip:
Meanwhile, Clinton's lead continues to shrink, according to FiveEightThirty and the odds are now a scant 59.8 to 40.1 in favor of Clinton winning the election.
538 Projections:
Electoral votes
Hillary Clinton: 288.8
Donald Trump: 248.8
Gary Johnson: 0.4
Popular vote
Hillary Clinton: 46.5%
Donald Trump: 44.3%
Gary Johnson: 7.9%
538 Projections:
Electoral votes
Hillary Clinton: 288.8
Donald Trump: 248.8
Gary Johnson: 0.4
Popular vote
Hillary Clinton: 46.5%
Donald Trump: 44.3%
Gary Johnson: 7.9%
POLITICO
Trump cracks the Electoral College lock
A new round of state polls shows Donald Trump suddenly has a path to 270 electoral votes.
>> http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-electoral-college-polls-228249
Just six weeks ago, Hillary Clinton's advantage in the Electoral College looked insurmountable. Now, based on the latest round of public polls, it's a different story.
If the election were held today, Donald Trump would apparently win roughly as many electoral votes as Hillary Clinton — who held a commanding lead in early August and seemed to be closing off all possible Trump routes to 270 electoral votes.
But state polling averages, which can be lagging indicators, are beginning to show Trump in the lead. According to POLITICO’s Battleground States polling average, Trump is now ahead in Iowa and Ohio — and he’s tied with Clinton in vote-rich Florida.
A slightly more aggressive estimate could add Nevada, North Carolina and one electoral vote in Maine to Trump’s tally: The New York real-estate magnate is ahead in the most recent polls in Nevada and North Carolina, and in Maine’s Second Congressional District.
That, plus all the other states Mitt Romney won four years ago, would get Trump to 266 electoral votes — just four shy of the 270 needed to win. Clinton’s once-comfortable cushion has been deflated to such an extent that if Trump wins those states and the electoral vote in Maine, he only needs one more state to win — with Colorado, Michigan, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Virginia the most likely targets. And there’s recent polling evidence suggesting he is in striking distance in some of those states.
The analysis is based on the public polls — which, especially in the battleground states, have turned hard toward Trump this week, coming after a weekend of news stories about controversial Clinton comments and the furor surrounding her pneumonia diagnosis. Public polls, which usually don’t control for party identification or registration, tend to swing more violently during the course of the campaign than the campaigns’ internal data.
So far, there’s little evidence either campaign is adjusting their strategy based on their own fresh data. Trump is advertising on television in four states this week: Florida, North Carolina, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Clinton’s campaign hasn’t reengaged in states where it pulled out earlier this summer. Despite closer polls, Clinton and the super PAC supporting her candidacy aren’t back on the air in Virginia, for example.
But the series of battleground-state polls that have shown Trump leading has led to a surge in GOP enthusiasm. In three live-telephone Ohio polls out this week, Trump was ahead by 5, 5 and 3 points. In Florida, Trump was ahead by 3 points in a CNN/ORC International poll. In Iowa, Trump led Clinton by an eye-popping 8-point margin in a Monmouth University poll released Thursday. Those surveys moved Iowa and Ohio into Trump’s column in POLITICO’s Battleground States polling average — and Florida is tied as of Thursday night.
If Trump were to carry those three states, it brings him to 244 electoral votes. Trump still trails in North Carolina by a 1.6-point margin in the average, but the most recent poll, from Suffolk University last week, showed him ahead. Adding North Carolina to his tally would give him 259 electoral votes.
Trump trails by 1.4 points in the Nevada average, but the most recent Monmouth poll this week showed him in the lead. If Trump won Nevada, that would be 265 electoral votes. And a SurveyUSA poll conducted for the Boston Globe and Colby College showed Trump 10 points up in Maine’s Second Congressional District — since Maine awards two of its electoral votes by congressional district, that would add another electoral vote to Trump's total even if he lost the state overall.
Putting Trump at 266 electoral votes leaves him one state away from clinching the presidency. And recent polls point to some cracks in the swing states that until recently looked like the Clinton firewall........(SNIP)
Much like 538, RealClearPolitics has it a slim 1.5 edge for Clinton. Meaning a strong lead has dwindled into a "anyone can win this" dogfight. At least for now. Bring on the debates. And may the best candidate...well, no. lain:
[h=3]Polling Data[/h]
lain:[h=3]Polling Data[/h]
| Poll | Date | Sample | MoE | Clinton (D) | Trump (R) | Spread |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RCP Average | 8/26 - 9/16 | -- | -- | 45.7 | 44.2 | Clinton +1.5 |
| LA Times/USC Tracking | 9/10 - 9/16 | 2565 LV | 4.5 | 41 | 47 | Trump +6 |
| FOX News | 9/11 - 9/14 | 867 LV | 3.0 | 45 | 46 | Trump +1 |
| CBS News/NY Times | 9/9 - 9/13 | 1433 LV | 3.0 | 46 | 44 | Clinton +2 |
| Economist/YouGov | 9/10 - 9/13 | 926 RV | 4.0 | 46 | 44 | Clinton +2 |
| Quinnipiac | 9/8 - 9/13 | 960 LV | 3.2 | 48 | 43 | Clinton +5 |
| Reuters/Ipsos | 9/8 - 9/12 | 1127 LV | 3.3 | 40 | 39 | Clinton +1 |
| NBC News/SM | 9/5 - 9/11 | 16220 RV | 1.1 | 48 | 44 | Clinton +4 |
| ABC News/Wash Post | 9/5 - 9/8 | 642 LV | 4.5 | 51 | 43 | Clinton +8 |
| CNN/ORC | 9/1 - 9/4 | 786 LV | 3.5 | 48 | 49 | Trump +1 |
| IBD/TIPP | 8/26 - 9/1 | 861 LV | 3.4 | 44 | 43 | Clinton +1 |
National Fraternal Order of Police endorses Donald Trump
Video: http://video.foxnews.com/v/51296467...-police-endorses-donald-trump/?#sp=show-clips