eameece
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Your honest "principles" amount to enabling the rich and the superstitious to have all power and control over our lives and ruin our nation and environment, with the citizens having no say in this at all.
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Your honest "principles" amount to enabling the rich and the superstitious to have all power and control over our lives and ruin our nation and environment, with the citizens having no say in this at all.
elohiym
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TOL would be boooooooooooring without drama, Zip. Face it.
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elohiym
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Awe shucks, let him contribute to the drama. I'm not offended.
annabenedetti
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If you're not advocating violence, then what? If you don't vote, surely you don't expect them to do it for you?
Here is the reason abortion will never end: 85% of the abortions in the U.S. are for women who claim to be Christian.
Which rather proves my point. As I said, Pandora's box will not be closed. We can work to lessen the numbers, but I don't believe there are enough people in this country who want abortion outlawed to make a difference at the ballot box. And again, if you don't vote...
I do know it at some level.
eameece
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I know more than any poster here. Republicans care about the rich. They want to give them all power. That is obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Many Republicans care about abortion, and are homophobes and/or warmongers. But those things are not what unites all Republicans. What unites them all is trickle-down economics and free-market ideology, based on hatred for welfare and welfare recipients.
zippy2006
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Here's the silly game you are playing:
Elo doesn't care who gets into office! He doesn't care whether a pro-lifer is elected to office or a pro-choicer! Wow! Talk about hypocrisy!
Elo doesn't care who gets into office! He doesn't care whether a pro-lifer is elected to office or a pro-choicer! Wow! Talk about hypocrisy!
elohiym
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I haven't slandered the man at all. :nono:
He thinks abortion is wrong. Why? Obviously because he thinks it is murder!
He thinks a state should have the right to keep abortion (murder) legal.
He thinks the Supreme Court should butt out.
What have I misrepresented? :idunno:
eameece
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The abortion issue could be put off the table, if the abortion pill were promoted and distributed well enough. But that might not be good enough to stop culture warriors like many of you guys, since the pill stops a pregnancy just after conception. You guys want the issue. You guys want to oppress women too.
annabenedetti
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elohiym
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Right. Because no matter what lip service the politician gives, the matter is out of his control or influence. He is just a puppet, and many people are starting to realize that (you excepted, of course). What matter is who controls the puppet.
What happens is people spend now two years debating which disingenuous moron will be elected to do absolutely nothing. Then when he doesn't do what they should have known he would never do, they just whine about it until the next election cycle.
Rinse repeat. Rinse repeat.
elohiym
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Right. Her inclusion on the ticket hurt McCain with a great many independents.
zippy2006
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His statements about the Supreme Court are directly related to Roe vs Wade. Santorum has stated that doctors who give abortions should be charged with murder.
Your misrepresentation lies in the fact that you are claiming that he believes abortion ought to be conditionally illegal based on a state's ruling. You are missing the politics. Santorum is giving a practical way to save the unborn, something other than trying to get the Supreme Court to overrule the decision (which may never happen and if it does will take a very long time). That is my understanding of the situation.
What is your preferred approach to abortion? Try to overrule Roe v Wade? You are standing in the way of justice here elo, and it's very frustrating. I don't care if you don't care for politics or the process, for Santorum it is a necessary step to actually devise a practical solution to this problem.
WizardofOz
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zippy, how do you feel about Ron Paul's stance on abortion including his pro-life strategy? This is how the debate arose; comparison of the two.
zippy2006
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I don't have a problem with his stance, what is his strategy?
I don't have a problem with Paul's or Santorum's basic stance with respect to abortion. They oppose it decisively. I don't think pro-lifers should attack either of them based on abortion. Criticize their practical strategy of getting the job done if you will, but do not make them out to be pro-abortion, for it is simply false. Their political ideas shape the way they think anti-abortion laws ought to be legislated and moved toward, but that is a different topic than whether they will do what they can to get rid of this evil.
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drbrumley
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Could be. McCain came in last in the Iowa caucus and ended up with the nomination, so there's that.
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Town posted:
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You were less happy with Palin because you think she hurt McCain's chances with independents?
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You were less happy with Palin because you think she hurt McCain's chances with independents?
elohiym
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He is an attorney and should know that the Roe decision is void, being now repugnant to the constitution. There is no legal right to abortion in the U.S. Rather abortion operates under color of law.
Read the Roe decision. You will see the Court states that if a fetus was declared a person under law, their decision would be unconstitutional. Therefore, even the Roe court agrees that abortion is murder.
Furthermore, the majority of states in the U.S. have fetal homicide laws. Logically, abortion cannot be legal in those states without the law being hypocritical. There cannot be two classes of people, one who has a right to murder unborn children and one who does not.
Abortion is not a right. And he should call on the Supreme Court to review the Roe decision in light of current laws declaring an unborn child a person. He needs to have some testicular fortitude and speak the obvious truth.
drbrumley
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Agreed.
Ron Paul:
Libertarians believe, along with the Founding Fathers, that every individual has inalienable rights, among which are the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Neither the State, nor any other person, can violate those rights without committing an injustice. But, just as important as the power claimed by the State to decide what rights we have, is the power to decide which of us has rights.
Today, we are seeing a piecemeal destruction of individual freedom. And in abortion, the statists have found a most effective method of obliterating freedom: obliterating the individual. Abortion on demand is the ultimate State tyranny; the State simply declares that certain classes of human beings are not persons, and therefore not entitled to the protection of the law. The State protects the "right" of some people to kill others, just as the courts protected the "property rights" of slave masters in their slaves. Moreover, by this method the State achieves a goal common to all totalitarian regimes: it sets us against each other, so that our energies are spent in the struggle between State-created classes, rather than in freeing all individuals from the State. Unlike Nazi Germany, which forcibly sent millions to the gas chambers (as well as forcing abortion and sterilization upon many more), the new regime has enlisted the assistance of millions of people to act as its agents in carrying out a program of mass murder.