Arthur Brain
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Well I hope you were genuine about your last comment. I could care less about labels be it you or anyone else who makes such a fuss over it.
toldailytopic: Are some people born predestined to go to hell?
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Well I hope you were genuine about your last comment. I could care less about labels be it you or anyone else who makes such a fuss over it.
We still don't know if you're a Christian or an "other."
A Christian should be happy to have the "label," Christian...
I'll not converse with you any longer unless you answer my question!!
Arthur Brain
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You have been answered, both in the past and on this thread. You just don't like the answer is all. Not my problem so either converse or don't, I won't lose sleep over it either way.
glorydaz
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Amen. What was predestined from the foundation is all those IN the ELECT ONE (In Christ) will be conformed into His image.
According to His PURPOSE....His purpose was to raise up for Himself a peculiar people of FAITH...in whom He would dwell. That "nation" or "people" of Faith are the elect of God. Those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are then born of God and given eternal LIFE.
Believing comes before life. Romans 10:9
Amen! At least one person on this thread knows what they're talking about!!!! Thank you...
I think it best if people are going to talk about spiritual matters and use Scripture to try to convince others that their opinion outweighs other's opinions, that they be "open" about their actual beliefs or unbelief's before the debate begins.
If a person is an agnostic/atheist or cultist why argue over something you
don't even believe in. Of course it's a good thing for them to ask questions but for them to tell a Bible believing, church going, Bible studying Christian that they don't know what they're talking about and the agnostic/atheist/cultist does know, seems like an exercise in futility. That's why I respect people like Rusha, etc, who
don't hide the idea that they don't believe. At least a Christian has an idea of who they're speaking to...
If a person is an agnostic/atheist or cultist why argue over something you
don't even believe in. Of course it's a good thing for them to ask questions but for them to tell a Bible believing, church going, Bible studying Christian that they don't know what they're talking about and the agnostic/atheist/cultist does know, seems like an exercise in futility. That's why I respect people like Rusha, etc, who
don't hide the idea that they don't believe. At least a Christian has an idea of who they're speaking to...
glorydaz
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Eternal "torment" is non-existance...being separated from God.
I realize many think hell is burning forever in the lake of fire, but I'm not one of them. I believe the unbelievers will suffer the second death as spoken of in Rev. 2 Thess. 1:8-9 show how it will be accomplished.
v9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord,
There shall be "weeping and gnashing of teeth" when men stand before the Throne of God and are judged. They can't be cast into "outer darkness" and the "lake of fire" at the same time. It's talking about "everlasting destruction" or separation from God and the living...those who have been written in the Lamb's Book of Life.
Matt. 25:30
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
glorydaz
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Isn't that the truth? :thumb:
Some would say this verse speaks of the Old Covenant. So we have all kinds of extremes concerning exactly HOW the Lord is going to perform His Judgement.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Arthur Brain
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I told you my beliefs before, after a load of assumptions on your part as to how my lack of a 'label' meant you weren't willing to engage in dialogue on an entirely separate matter. You initiated a private convo on the matter that went on for several replies which resulted in an understanding even if we weren't in total agreement. I've been honest with you and my stances on these issues are hardly secret or hidden.
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That's true. We can't really know for certain. I grew up hearing about and believing in a place called Hell. Now, in my "later years" I'm not certain if the "lake of fire" represents total spiritual annihilation or something more aggressive. I'm not sure that anyone actually knows
for certain...
I'm an old geezer and I don't remember. So if you could find it in your heart to be respectful and remind me it would be appreciated and you would gain my respect...
Arthur Brain
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So you believe in annihilation then?
As above. Also, you didn't answer my question from earlier. Are you familiar with the original texts and translations? The early church aka Origen etc?
So when does every knee bow, every tongue confess and praise given to God occur then?
There's weeping and gnashing of teeth in this life often enough. It doesn't mean to say it's an ongoing process without hope of respite or cure.
Arthur Brain
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Sure, I told you I veer to the Universal viewpoint where everything in creation is reconciled to God, basically speaking.
Sort of "universalism" then huh??
I don't support the open view, whatsoever!
I don't support a strictly Calvinist view or a strictly Arminian view. At my church we aren't interested in drawing such lines as to make either a Calvinist view totally accurate or an Arminian view totally accurate as what the Bible teaches is a little of both.
"We must recognize that while some may be Arminians, others Calvinists,
others deploring the use of such names, none are heretics!"
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As for the open view our church would steer clear of that, period.
Arthur Brain
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Pretty much. I kinda figure that a loving all powerful God can create a world and retain all of it, especially if that's what He wills or expresses...
And all are offshoots of paganism; at least in respect to the settled view...
So obfuscation it is then.
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Seriously, you're a fool.:Servent:
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