This is what emboldened white supremacists look like

[Angel4Truth]

Yep, their HISTORY.
A historical part of their own history should not be removed just because those today do not agree with how their history went.
That part of their history is over and the historical monuments are just that ..... HISTORICAL, and do not represent their current history.

Heck, I wouldn't want to look at a statue of Obama.
But I cannot deny he is a HISTORICAL part of our HISTORY, like him or not.
And NO PART of our history needs to be wiped out because some didn't like it.
That's just stupid and petty and making mountains out of molehills to do so.

Well said, sadly too many here wont get it. (rather they get it, but pretend they dont)

 

[Arthur Brain]

Liberals do not believe in free speech, they are totalitarians, and total hypocrites. They say dont look at something or listen if you dont like what they think say and support, but they dont do what they say when its the other way.

They are do as i say, not as i do, crybabies.

Oh what a load of the same usual soundbite bollocks. You far right zealots could make a fortune in bumper stickers...

:freak:

 

[kmoney]

Show us even half the number of public statues that have been vandalized by conservatives that tambora has posted and ill concede.

I'm not sure there is the same number of targets. There are apparently a ton of monuments to the Confederacy. What types of statues do you think conservatives would go after?

Maybe we should start putting Obama statues everywhere and see what happens. :think:

 

[WizardofOz]

Thanks to black lives matter parades and antitrump and womens feminism fake movement, we see that vandals make up a quite larger percentage of its believers.

That's not why these monuments are being removed though.

Worth a read. The timeline of the four monuments in New Orleans

 

[Lon]

If someone wants to buy the statues and put them in a museum I'm fine with that. If they want to put them around Gettysburg as part of the lesson, okay. . . and if they want to dump the lot of them into the Gulf of Mexico that'll work too.

My grandmother was DAR and descended from the Lee line and I had always thought that she was a Daughter of the Confederacy as well, but learned late that when that particular group came knocking she sent them on their way, politely. She was, as it turns out, almost as proud of our role in the nation's founding as she was embarrassed by what some of our relations tried to do with that legacy.

Good woman, my grandmother.


:chuckle: But then you'd never get the smell out.

Censorship of the past bothers me. I see no good reason, other than socialistic pressure, to remove our history. I was bothered when Disney was forced to discontinue Song of the South sales. There was no reason. Being offended is no good reason. Soon, Peter Pan will be removed for promoting "red man." We'd reduce the Civil War to never happening and blame the South for all of it. I'm not THAT white.

Nothing to you in particular, but I don't relate to censorship. It always seeks to remove another's identity and values. I don't want to remove another's rights simply because I'm personally offended. If it doesn't break the law, it should not be removed. These statues should be allowed on any private property. A museum is fine too. I'm not any more ashamed of General Lee than I am of Grant. If one statue stands on public property, so should the other. The war was about many other principles than just slavery and both sides stood up for what they believed were their rights. Censorship is more wicked than the purported ill that it seeks to silence. Trying can easily lead to another civil crisis. This censor mentality will cause civil conflict and deeper rift itself.

 

[Town Heretic]

This whole 'I'm offended' movement has gotten ridiculously stupid and embarrassing.

Said the woman offended by people wanting to disavow symbols of a racist empire? lain:

Stevie Wonder would have seen the problem with your complaint.


Good on you, Big Easy! Statue suggestions: Louis Armstrong (Algiers doesn't count), Elmore Leonard, The Mannings, Branford Marsalis, Hank Williams, Jr., Harry Connick, Jr., John Goodman, Mr. Bill, Randy Newman, Mahalia Jackson, William Faulkner even...Truman Capote, just to name a few.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Thanks to black lives matter parades and antitrump and womens feminism fake movement, we see that vandals make up a quite larger percentage of its believers.

If it wasn't for the suffragette movement you wouldn't even be allowed to moan in public Angel...

 

[WizardofOz]

The contractor who was to remove these monuments received death threats and had his car burned

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[Tambora]

Needs to be said untill they actually learn history, instead revised history (which is more of what they are trying to do by erasing it.)

According to the US census of 1860, only 8% of families in the entire US were slave-owners.
Civil War started 1861.

 

[kmoney]

The contractor who was to remove these monuments received death threats and had his car burned

More

That's why the did much of the work at night. And people didn't use their normal work vehicles or uniforms. For at least one of the removals.

 

[kmoney]

The contractor who was to remove these monuments received death threats and had his car burned

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I guess that means conservatives are OK with death threats and car burnings. lain:

 

[WizardofOz]

I was bothered when Disney was forced to discontinue Song of the South sales. There was no reason.

Who forced them? :idunno:

 

[Tambora]

Censorship of the past bothers me. I see no good reason, other than socialistic pressure, to remove our history. I was bothered when Disney was forced to discontinue Song of the South sales. There was no reason. Being offended is no good reason. Soon, Peter Pan will be removed for promoting "red man." We'd reduce the Civil War to never happening and blame the South for all of it. I'm not THAT white.

Nothing to you in particular, but I don't relate to censorship. It always seeks to remove another's identity and values. I don't want to remove another's rights simply because I'm personally offended. If it doesn't break the law, it should not be removed. These statues should be allowed on any private property. A museum is fine too. I'm not any more ashamed of General Lee than I am of Grant. If one statue stands on public property, so should the other. The war was about many other principles than just slavery and both sides stood up for what they believed were their rights. Censorship is more wicked than the purported ill that it seeks to silence. Trying can easily lead to another civil crisis. This censor mentality will cause civil conflict and deeper rift itself.

Somebody with a little common sense.
Thank you Lord!

 

[Angel4Truth]

I'm not sure there is the same number of targets. There are apparently a ton of monuments to the Confederacy. What types of statues do you think conservatives would go after?

Most conservatives? None. The chaos and lawbreaking parties are the liberals, as seen on tv often this year and last, hence trump.

And they still dont get it.

 

[Lon]

Who forced them? :idunno:

Censorship doesn't have to be forced to be considered censorship.

 

[Angel4Truth]

According to the US census of 1860, only 8% of families in the entire US were slave-owners.
Civil War started 1861.

Truth doesnt matter, and liberals hate states rights also. (the main reason was states rights not slavery)

 

[Angel4Truth]

Censorship of the past bothers me. I see no good reason, other than socialistic pressure, to remove our history. I was bothered when Disney was forced to discontinue Song of the South sales. There was no reason. Being offended is no good reason. Soon, Peter Pan will be removed for promoting "red man." We'd reduce the Civil War to never happening and blame the South for all of it. I'm not THAT white.

Nothing to you in particular, but I don't relate to censorship. It always seeks to remove another's identity and values. I don't want to remove another's rights simply because I'm personally offended. If it doesn't break the law, it should not be removed. These statues should be allowed on any private property. A museum is fine too. I'm not any more ashamed of General Lee than I am of Grant. If one statue stands on public property, so should the other. The war was about many other principles than just slavery and both sides stood up for what they believed were their rights. Censorship is more wicked than the purported ill that it seeks to silence. Trying can easily lead to another civil crisis. This censor mentality will cause civil conflict and deeper rift itself.

Truth!

 

[Tambora]

I guess that means conservatives are OK with death threats and car burnings. lain:

This conservative isn't OK with it at all.

But I will now use liberal logic ......
If the guy had not agreed to remove it, he and his car would be OK.
Just like if you hadn't of drawn that pic of Mohamed (piss be upon him), you would still have your head attached to your body.
Just should have known it was gonna offend some poor little soul somewhere.

:doh:

 

[Angel4Truth]

What does it mean to you?

Already answered, read back.

 

[Angel4Truth]

This conservative isn't OK with it at all.

But I will now use liberal logic ......
If the guy had not agreed to remove it, he and his car would be OK.
Just like if you hadn't of drawn that pic of Mohamed (piss be upon him), you would still have your head attached to your body.
Just should have known it was gonna offend some poor little soul somewhere.

:doh:

yep, thats liberal logic 101. His problem for getting involved.