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So you want to talk more about it?
The Trinity
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So you want to talk more about it?
drbrumley
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Can you answer the question?
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drbrumley
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No....Unless what?
BTW, the statement is
The question is if you agree.
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As I have already explained and gave the truth by giving many scriptures that say 'unless'; which you merely dismissed by calling me Meshak.
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No one is saved unless they obey, and no one stays saved unless they continue to obey.
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No one is saved unless they obey, and no one stays saved unless they continue to obey.
Jesus doesn't say what you say.
Jesus doesn't say 'you will because you are saved'!
Jesus says 'unless' and 'if'.
Jesus doesn't say what you say.
Jesus doesn't say 'you will because you are saved'!
Jesus says 'unless' and 'if'.
drbrumley
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Earth to [MENTION=3267]GodsTruth[/MENTION]
So I said
Your answer is UNLESS!
So where do you put the unless? If you say you are saved, it is absolutely going to show up in your life. Unless?
You are going to be keeping the commandments of God. Unless?
You do not keep the commandments of God in order to be saved; you keep the commandments of God because you are saved. Unless?
drbrumley
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This is EXACTLY the teaching of Meshak....the only difference between you two, oh wait, you hate Trinitarians also. So nevermind.
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Jesus doesn't say 'you will because you are saved'!
Jesus says 'unless' and 'if'.
We have to obey to get saved, and to stay saved.
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Learn to be respectful and truthful when you debate others.
You are the one like Meshak.
drbrumley
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Did Judas lose His salvation?
I do not think he ever had salvation.
drbrumley
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Exactly. Judas was never saved.....And neither were those who fell away. Or as godstruth says, doesn't obey. Judas
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Wow, okay, are you now agreeing with me? Judas did not obey. Good example of how we have to obey.
But wait, you said neither were those saved who fell away. Now that is where you get off track.
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Judas was a thief and kept being a thief when he was with Jesus.
So he did not fall away or lose what he never had.
We have to repent of our sins to be saved.
Matthew 27:3-4 KJV
(3) Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
(4) Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
drbrumley
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glorydaz
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Right, and it was because he "believed not" that he wasn't saved.
John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.