The Trinity

[God's Truth]

Ha.... the true Messiah is in the Bible, and the False Messiah is in the Quran.
It is not harmony to be the exact opposite of the other.
There is no accord when one is a counterfeit of the other.

There is Christ in the Bible, and there is anti-Christ in the Quran.

If you don't know that, then you don't know anything.


So, as it turns out, Pops, you don't know either one. :nono:

You don't even know that Paul taught what Jesus taught when he walked the earth.

 

[glorydaz]

You don't even know that Paul taught what Jesus taught when he walked the earth.

Right....you think the "ascended Lord" told Paul to preach "repent and be baptised".

If that was true, then He didn't need to appear to Paul at all, since that's what He gave the other Apostles to preach.


You never thought of that, did ya? :AMR:

 

[God's Truth]

Right....you think the "ascended Lord" told Paul to preach "repent and be baptised".

If that was true, then He didn't need to appear to Paul at all, since that's what He gave the other Apostles to preach.


You never thought of that, did ya? :AMR:

Paul was trying to destroy the church.

Didn't you know that?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Right....you think the "ascended Lord" told Paul to preach "repent and be baptised".

If that was true, then He didn't need to appear to Paul at all, since that's what He gave the other Apostles to preach.


You never thought of that, did ya? :AMR:

Yeah, haven't you heard of the new new testament and the other gospel?

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[popsthebuilder]

Ha.... the true Messiah is in the Bible, and the False Messiah is in the Quran.
It is not harmony to be the exact opposite of the other.
There is no accord when one is a counterfeit of the other.

There is Christ in the Bible, and there is anti-Christ in the Quran.

If you don't know that, then you don't know anything.


So, as it turns out, Pops, you don't know either one. :nono:

Wait and see

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[popsthebuilder]

No, they don't. Take my word for it.

Have you read them both on entirety?

I'll take the Word of GOD over the word of any man.

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[JudgeRightly]

Have you read them both on entirety?

I'll take the Word of GOD over the word of any man.

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If you want me to address the Quran, tag me in the thread you created on it. The topic of this thread is the Trinity, not the Quran.

 

[lifeisgood]

I am dangerous to Satan.

Oh, yeah, gt, you are so dangerous to Satan, he is shaking in his boots when he sees you coming :nono: especially when you, gt, SEPARATE people from Jesus Christ and His vicarious/finished/completed/perfect work on the Cross of Calvary, by saying that Jesus Christ and His work was NOT SUFFICIENT because you, gt, say that you have to ADD YOUR OBEDIENCE to help God so He CAN SAVE YOU.

Foolish woman!

 

[popsthebuilder]

If you want me to address the Quran, tag me in the thread you created on it. The topic of this thread is the Trinity, not the Quran.

You know where it is at. Come join the discussion if you are not scared....or don't...

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[JudgeRightly]

You know where it is at. Come join the discussion if you are not scared....or don't...

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And I won't if you keep accusing me of being "scared."

 

[God's Truth]

Oh, yeah, gt, you are so dangerous to Satan, he is shaking in his boots when he sees you coming :nono: especially when you, gt, SEPARATE people from Jesus Christ and His vicarious/finished/completed/perfect work on the Cross of Calvary, by saying that Jesus Christ and His work was NOT SUFFICIENT because you, gt, say that you have to ADD YOUR OBEDIENCE to help God so He CAN SAVE YOU.

Foolish woman!

You have to keep telling untruths about me to defend your false doctrines.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Seeing as the thread seems to be derailed, here's something to get it back on track:

Spoiler

Now a certain man was sick, Lazarus of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.It was that Mary who anointed the Lord with fragrant oil and wiped His feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.Therefore the sisters sent to Him, saying, “Lord, behold, he whom You love is sick.”When Jesus heard that, He said, “This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified through it.”Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus.So, when He heard that he was sick, He stayed two more days in the place where He was.Then after this He said to the disciples, “Let us go to Judea again.”The disciples said to Him, “Rabbi, lately the Jews sought to stone You, and are You going there again?”Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.”These things He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.”Then His disciples said, “Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.”However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep.Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead.And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, that you may believe. Nevertheless let us go to him.”Then Thomas, who is called the Twin, said to his fellow disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with Him.”So when Jesus came, He found that he had already been in the tomb four days.Now Bethany was near Jerusalem, about two miles away.And many of the Jews had joined the women around Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.Now Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met Him, but Mary was sitting in the house.Now Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You.”Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”And when she had said these things, she went her way and secretly called Mary her sister, saying, “The Teacher has come and is calling for you.”As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly and came to Him.Now Jesus had not yet come into the town, but was in the place where Martha met Him.Then the Jews who were with her in the house, and comforting her, when they saw that Mary rose up quickly and went out, followed her, saying, “She is going to the tomb to weep there.”Then, when Mary came where Jesus was, and saw Him, she fell down at His feet, saying to Him, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.”Therefore, when Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her weeping, He groaned in the spirit and was troubled.And He said, “Where have you laid him?” They said to Him, “Lord, come and see.”Jesus wept.Then the Jews said, “See how He loved him!”And some of them said, “Could not this Man, who opened the eyes of the blind, also have kept this man from dying?”Then Jesus, again groaning in Himself, came to the tomb. It was a cave, and a stone lay against it.Jesus said, “Take away the stone.” Martha, the sister of him who was dead, said to Him, “Lord, by this time there is a stench, for he has been dead four days.”Jesus said to her, “Did I not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?”Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me.”Now when He had said these things, He cried with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come forth!”And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Loose him, and let him go.” - John 11:1-44 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John11:1-44&version=NKJV

Obviously, Jesus was given power over the dead.

But, what if

Spoiler

instead of saying, "Lazarus, come forth," Jesus had simply just said, "Come forth"?

How does this (and this is mostly directed at my fellow trinitarians here on this thread) show that Jesus is God, but that He is not the Father?

 

[lifeisgood]

You have to keep telling untruths about me to defend your false doctrines.

Foolish woman!

Satan is shaking in his boots when he sees you coming gt. :devil: :rotfl:

Foolish, foolish woman!

 

[Tambora]

Seeing as the thread seems to be derailed, here's something to get it back on track:

Spoiler

Now a certain man was sick, Lazarus of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.It was that Mary who anointed the Lord with fragrant oil and wiped His feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.Therefore the sisters sent to Him, saying, “Lord, behold, he whom You love is sick.”When Jesus heard that, He said, “This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified through it.”Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus.So, when He heard that he was sick, He stayed two more days in the place where He was.Then after this He said to the disciples, “Let us go to Judea again.”The disciples said to Him, “Rabbi, lately the Jews sought to stone You, and are You going there again?”Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.”These things He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.”Then His disciples said, “Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.”However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep.Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead.And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, that you may believe. Nevertheless let us go to him.”Then Thomas, who is called the Twin, said to his fellow disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with Him.”So when Jesus came, He found that he had already been in the tomb four days.Now Bethany was near Jerusalem, about two miles away.And many of the Jews had joined the women around Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.Now Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met Him, but Mary was sitting in the house.Now Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You.”Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”And when she had said these things, she went her way and secretly called Mary her sister, saying, “The Teacher has come and is calling for you.”As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly and came to Him.Now Jesus had not yet come into the town, but was in the place where Martha met Him.Then the Jews who were with her in the house, and comforting her, when they saw that Mary rose up quickly and went out, followed her, saying, “She is going to the tomb to weep there.”Then, when Mary came where Jesus was, and saw Him, she fell down at His feet, saying to Him, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.”Therefore, when Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her weeping, He groaned in the spirit and was troubled.And He said, “Where have you laid him?” They said to Him, “Lord, come and see.”Jesus wept.Then the Jews said, “See how He loved him!”And some of them said, “Could not this Man, who opened the eyes of the blind, also have kept this man from dying?”Then Jesus, again groaning in Himself, came to the tomb. It was a cave, and a stone lay against it.Jesus said, “Take away the stone.” Martha, the sister of him who was dead, said to Him, “Lord, by this time there is a stench, for he has been dead four days.”Jesus said to her, “Did I not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?”Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me.”Now when He had said these things, He cried with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come forth!”And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Loose him, and let him go.” - John 11:1-44 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John11:1-44&version=NKJV

Obviously, Jesus was given power over the dead.

But, what if

Spoiler

instead of saying, "Lazarus, come forth," Jesus had simply just said, "Come forth"?

How does this (and this is mostly directed at my fellow trinitarians here on this thread) show that Jesus is God, but that He is not the Father?

John 5:27-29 comes to mind.

 

[God's Truth]

Seeing as the thread seems to be derailed, here's something to get it back on track:

Spoiler

Now a certain man was sick, Lazarus of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.It was that Mary who anointed the Lord with fragrant oil and wiped His feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.Therefore the sisters sent to Him, saying, “Lord, behold, he whom You love is sick.”When Jesus heard that, He said, “This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified through it.”Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus.So, when He heard that he was sick, He stayed two more days in the place where He was.Then after this He said to the disciples, “Let us go to Judea again.”The disciples said to Him, “Rabbi, lately the Jews sought to stone You, and are You going there again?”Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.”These things He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.”Then His disciples said, “Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.”However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep.Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead.And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, that you may believe. Nevertheless let us go to him.”Then Thomas, who is called the Twin, said to his fellow disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with Him.”So when Jesus came, He found that he had already been in the tomb four days.Now Bethany was near Jerusalem, about two miles away.And many of the Jews had joined the women around Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.Now Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met Him, but Mary was sitting in the house.Now Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You.”Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”And when she had said these things, she went her way and secretly called Mary her sister, saying, “The Teacher has come and is calling for you.”As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly and came to Him.Now Jesus had not yet come into the town, but was in the place where Martha met Him.Then the Jews who were with her in the house, and comforting her, when they saw that Mary rose up quickly and went out, followed her, saying, “She is going to the tomb to weep there.”Then, when Mary came where Jesus was, and saw Him, she fell down at His feet, saying to Him, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.”Therefore, when Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her weeping, He groaned in the spirit and was troubled.And He said, “Where have you laid him?” They said to Him, “Lord, come and see.”Jesus wept.Then the Jews said, “See how He loved him!”And some of them said, “Could not this Man, who opened the eyes of the blind, also have kept this man from dying?”Then Jesus, again groaning in Himself, came to the tomb. It was a cave, and a stone lay against it.Jesus said, “Take away the stone.” Martha, the sister of him who was dead, said to Him, “Lord, by this time there is a stench, for he has been dead four days.”Jesus said to her, “Did I not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?”Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me.”Now when He had said these things, He cried with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come forth!”And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Loose him, and let him go.” - John 11:1-44 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John11:1-44&version=NKJV

Obviously, Jesus was given power over the dead.

But, what if

Spoiler

instead of saying, "Lazarus, come forth," Jesus had simply just said, "Come forth"?

How does this (and this is mostly directed at my fellow trinitarians here on this thread) show that Jesus is God, but that He is not the Father?

I knew there was something different about you in that you thought a little bit more in the truth without the doctrines of men.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I knew there was something different about you in that you thought a little bit more in the truth without the doctrines of men.

Perhaps you could answer my questions in the post you quoted...?

 

[God's Truth]

Perhaps you could answer my questions in the post you quoted...?

Let's wait to see if your trinitarian friends answer, or how about you explain what you wanted?

 

[glorydaz]

Seeing as the thread seems to be derailed, here's something to get it back on track:

Spoiler

Now a certain man was sick, Lazarus of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.It was that Mary who anointed the Lord with fragrant oil and wiped His feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.Therefore the sisters sent to Him, saying, “Lord, behold, he whom You love is sick.”When Jesus heard that, He said, “This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified through it.”Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus.So, when He heard that he was sick, He stayed two more days in the place where He was.Then after this He said to the disciples, “Let us go to Judea again.”The disciples said to Him, “Rabbi, lately the Jews sought to stone You, and are You going there again?”Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.”These things He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.”Then His disciples said, “Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.”However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep.Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead.And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, that you may believe. Nevertheless let us go to him.”Then Thomas, who is called the Twin, said to his fellow disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with Him.”So when Jesus came, He found that he had already been in the tomb four days.Now Bethany was near Jerusalem, about two miles away.And many of the Jews had joined the women around Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.Now Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met Him, but Mary was sitting in the house.Now Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.But even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You.”Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”And when she had said these things, she went her way and secretly called Mary her sister, saying, “The Teacher has come and is calling for you.”As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly and came to Him.Now Jesus had not yet come into the town, but was in the place where Martha met Him.Then the Jews who were with her in the house, and comforting her, when they saw that Mary rose up quickly and went out, followed her, saying, “She is going to the tomb to weep there.”Then, when Mary came where Jesus was, and saw Him, she fell down at His feet, saying to Him, “Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.”Therefore, when Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her weeping, He groaned in the spirit and was troubled.And He said, “Where have you laid him?” They said to Him, “Lord, come and see.”Jesus wept.Then the Jews said, “See how He loved him!”And some of them said, “Could not this Man, who opened the eyes of the blind, also have kept this man from dying?”Then Jesus, again groaning in Himself, came to the tomb. It was a cave, and a stone lay against it.Jesus said, “Take away the stone.” Martha, the sister of him who was dead, said to Him, “Lord, by this time there is a stench, for he has been dead four days.”Jesus said to her, “Did I not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?”Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me.”Now when He had said these things, He cried with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come forth!”And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with graveclothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Loose him, and let him go.” - John 11:1-44 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John11:1-44&version=NKJV

Obviously, Jesus was given power over the dead.

But, what if

Spoiler

instead of saying, "Lazarus, come forth," Jesus had simply just said, "Come forth"?

How does this (and this is mostly directed at my fellow trinitarians here on this thread) show that Jesus is God, but that He is not the Father?

It can't be the Father... Jesus says He is the good shepherd and the Father knoweth Him.

John 10:14-15 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.​

He calleth His own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

John 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.​

 

[God's Truth]

It can't be the Father... Jesus says He is the good shepherd and the Father knoweth Him.

John 10:14-15 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.​

He calleth His own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

John 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.​

You are missing it badly.

 

[glorydaz]

You are missing it badly.

Says the fool who couldn't even come up with an answer. :chuckle: