The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !
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flintstoned
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He died only for the believers. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
beloved57
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The all men Jesus died for shall be made righteous. Rom 5:19
19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Do you believe that ?
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oatmeal
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Well said.
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Yes, indeed.
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beloved57
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God never said Adam was created sinless, thats a myth of man. Why would Jesus create man back to what adam was before he transgressed, that would only mean he could transgress again..
The righteousness Christ had, was sinless perfection , could not sin, that was proven in lk 4..
His death was intended for all and sufficient for all. The provision is perfect, but it is only efficacious for those who believe. The grounds provide salvation potentially for all, but the objective provision must be subjectively appropriated. The condition of faith limits its application to believers, but anyone can become a believer by receiving vs rejecting Him.
Jn. 3:16 Johannine use of world is unregenerate/lost, not Calvinistic elite elect.
Adam was created innocent. He had a blank moral slate and became a sinner when he sinned (this was not a necessity, but a possibility due to image of God/free will).
If Adam wasn't created sinless, then GOD would be responsible for sin, which would mean that GOD would be opposing himself.
A perfect GOD could only create that which is complete and whole. Sin is a hole in GOD's original perfect creation. Sin has it's origin in the misuse of freewill, which was a 'good' gift from GOD to man.
Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.
beloved57
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Rom 5:18
I have been witnessing the Truth of Rom 5:19 and how it teaches that Christ one act of obedience shall make many righteous.
Now we will look at what Rom 5:18 states :
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Now the gospel here states emphatically that by one man's act of righteousness, the free gift of Justification of life came upon all men.
Now who is this righteousness of one, what was his act of righteousness, and what did it accomplish according to Rom 5:18 ?
Well the one man is the Lord Jesus Christ.
His act of righteousness was his active and passive obedience of the cross.
What did this accomplish ? It accomplishes and gives the Justification of life upon all who he lived and died for in his act of righteousness.
Now, do all without exception have justification of life ? The answer is no, so therefore, the act of righteousness by which all receive Justification of life, was not for all men without exception, hence, the doctrine of limited atonement is confirmed.
I have been witnessing the Truth of Rom 5:19 and how it teaches that Christ one act of obedience shall make many righteous.
Now we will look at what Rom 5:18 states :
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Now the gospel here states emphatically that by one man's act of righteousness, the free gift of Justification of life came upon all men.
Now who is this righteousness of one, what was his act of righteousness, and what did it accomplish according to Rom 5:18 ?
Well the one man is the Lord Jesus Christ.
His act of righteousness was his active and passive obedience of the cross.
What did this accomplish ? It accomplishes and gives the Justification of life upon all who he lived and died for in his act of righteousness.
Now, do all without exception have justification of life ? The answer is no, so therefore, the act of righteousness by which all receive Justification of life, was not for all men without exception, hence, the doctrine of limited atonement is confirmed.
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horiturk
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better question would be why did God even put the tree of knowledge there if he already knew they would eat of it. God,being God,would know what was going to happen. thats a major flaw in the allegory,i mean it's better to have knowledge and have all the negative things that come with it than be in total ignorance and bliss
He sinned because he freely chose contrary to the will of GOD.
If you are saying that GOD programmed Adam to sin then GOD is responsible, not Adam. And if evil originates in GOD, then evil is infinite, for GOD is infinite being. Then if you want to posit goodness in GOD, you must posit an ultimate duality of two equal gods, one good and one evil, in an eternal struggle. I believe that it is consistent with the implications of scripture to say that evil emerges out of the good gift of free choice, wrongly executed.
Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.
You are a Bible twisting piece of trash. :down:
beloved57
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You just reject the Truth. All for whom Christ performed an act of righteousness, receive as a free gift, Justification of life rom 5:
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
beloved57
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Rom 5:18
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Let me explain what Paul means and what the Truth is, the One Offense of Adam, as He stood as the Covenant Head of Man, resulted in condemnation and guilt to all men that He stood for as Covenant Head; Now in like Manner, Christ one Act of Righteousness, His whole Life, both active and passive obedience, gives [ and they receive] Justification and Life to all who He stood as Covenant Head.
Now it must be understood that the giving and receiving of results for these actions of each Head are the same.
That means the condemnation was given and received by those Adam represented, it was not offered to them as a choice, and so in like manner, the Justification of life was given and received by those Christ was Covenant Head and represented, it was not offered as a choice..
The word justification is the greek word dikaiōsis and means:
the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him
abjuring to be righteous, justification
So, God, because of the one act of righteousness by Jesus Christ declares all whom He represented, freed from guilt, and abjures to be righteous.
And again, this is not something God offers for their acceptance or refusal, but its His own declaration of them, because of the one act of Christ. Not because of their Faith, of their repentance, or water baptism, but solely by the one act of righteousness by Jesus Christ.
And since we know that God has not declared all men without exception to be not guilty, free from guilt, and announced righteous, then its settled that Christ did not represent all men without exception in His Life and death of the cross. He simply did not die for all men without exception.
Rom 5:18
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Let me explain what Paul means and what the Truth is, the One Offense of Adam, as He stood as the Covenant Head of Man, resulted in condemnation and guilt to all men that He stood for as Covenant Head; Now in like Manner, Christ one Act of Righteousness, His whole Life, both active and passive obedience, gives [ and they receive] Justification and Life to all who He stood as Covenant Head.
Now it must be understood that the giving and receiving of results for these actions of each Head are the same.
That means the condemnation was given and received by those Adam represented, it was not offered to them as a choice, and so in like manner, the Justification of life was given and received by those Christ was Covenant Head and represented, it was not offered as a choice..
The word justification is the greek word dikaiōsis and means:
the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him
abjuring to be righteous, justification
So, God, because of the one act of righteousness by Jesus Christ declares all whom He represented, freed from guilt, and abjures to be righteous.
And again, this is not something God offers for their acceptance or refusal, but its His own declaration of them, because of the one act of Christ. Not because of their Faith, of their repentance, or water baptism, but solely by the one act of righteousness by Jesus Christ.
And since we know that God has not declared all men without exception to be not guilty, free from guilt, and announced righteous, then its settled that Christ did not represent all men without exception in His Life and death of the cross. He simply did not die for all men without exception.
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