The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

[Nanja]

John 3:16 New King James Version (NKJV)

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Israel is the only World to which God Promised Salvation.

Is. 45:17
But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation:
ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.


But not the world of the devil's children.

Mat. 13:38-40
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil;
the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
so shall it be in the end of this world.

See how important it is to understand John 3:16 in light of all the rest
of the scriptures in order to come to an understanding of them 1 Cor 2:13?

2 Tim. 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.

~~~~~

 

[Bright Raven]

Israel is the only World to which God Promised Salvation.

Is. 45:17
But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation:
ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.


But not the world of the devil's children.

Mat. 13:38-40
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil;
the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
so shall it be in the end of this world.

See how important it is to understand John 3:16 in light of all the rest
of the scriptures in order to come to an understanding of them 1 Cor 2:13?

2 Tim. 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.

~~~~~

You're a little confused. Of course since you pay attention to Beloved 57 I can understand why.


Ephesians 2:8-9 New King James Version (NKJV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

 

[beloved57]

Israel is the only World to which God Promised Salvation.

Is. 45:17
But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation:
ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.


But not the world of the devil's children.

Mat. 13:38-40
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil;
the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
so shall it be in the end of this world.

See how important it is to understand John 3:16 in light of all the rest
of the scriptures in order to come to an understanding of them 1 Cor 2:13?

2 Tim. 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.

~~~~~

That person does not believe or understand John 3:16 !

 

[musterion]

If the world that God loved and sent Christ died for was limited to only a certain group of people, and if He needed to irresistably cause them to believe and be saved (else they'd never be able to do so), then John saying "whosoever believes on Him shall not perish" makes no sense.

" ...whosoever the Father causes to believe on Him..." would be the truth. But John didn't say that.

 

[Bright Raven]

That person does not believe or understand John 3:16 !

How do you know you are saved?

 

[beloved57]

Particular Redemption for Israel the Seed of Abraham 2

Now when Christ came to redeem His People, the Seed of Abraham, them He was specifically made under the Law, born of a women for as Per Gal 4:3-5

3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we[Not all] might receive the adoption of sons.

Again this is a specific seed being referred to here, not all mankind without exception, in fact its the exact same thing being stated here under more specific and particular language Heb 2:14

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

The Children here are the same ones as in Gal 4:3

3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

Heb 2:15-17

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

So when He was made of a women, under the Law, it was for the Seed of Abraham specifically, not all mankind, and this was in line with His Redemptive Purpose 1 Pet 1:18-20


18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest[Born of a Woman] in these last times for you[The Seed of Abraham],

 

[serpentdove]

Is 2 Pe 3:9 a myth, too? :dizzy:

See:

Does God Elect Everyone?

As a reminder Beloved57 is number 19 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:

 

[beloved57]

Particular Redemption for Israel the Seed of Abraham 3

Now again, for the Purpose of Redemption, He was made or Born of a women, made under the Law, to Identify with the Children [of God]

Heb 2:14

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

But now the Children are Identified specifically as who in Vs 16 ? Heb 2:16

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

The Children are the Seed of Abraham, as so is their Head Christ Gal 3:16

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

And they are Identified once again in Vs 17 Heb 2:17

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

They are called His Brethren, not all men without exception are His Brethren, and they are called the People, or His People Matt 1:21. His People are the Seed of Abraham, not Abraham's carnal seed either, for Jesus told some of them Jn 8:38,41-42

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

1 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Yes, though they were carnally Abraham's seed or children, gleaned from Jn 8:37

37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

Yet they were not His Brethren Spiritually as was these were Heb 2:14-17

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Because these brethren had God as their Father as He did !

And these are the Brethren of the Seed of Abraham that He came to redeem, not all men without exception !

To deny Particular Redemption or Limited Atonement is to deny it altogether, for the scripture knows of no other !

 

[beloved57]

Scripture Teaches that He died specifically for the Church !

Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it[The Church];

There's simply not a more clearer declaration of scripture, that specifically designates the Church as the Object of Christs Love [See Jn 15:9,12-13] and this indicates that the disciples of Christ were part of His Church He Loved and gave Himself for Eph 5:25 , and His Church in Eph 5:25 is compared to a Wife, for Vs 25 comes at the heel of Eph 5:23-24

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Which Indicates that the Church is Christ's Wife, He is its Head, as the husband to the wife, this is true, or what purpose would this Illustration serve ?

This also confirms that Christ gave Himself as a Head of the Church, His Wife.

 

[Bright Raven]

How do you know that you are saved?

 

[beloved57]

Scripture Teaches that He died specifically for the Church !2

Now with this in Mind, we must understand the preexisting Union of Christ with His Church when He died for her, His Wife was in Him before her manifestation out of Him, as Was eve in Adam before her manifestation out of him, and as the bride and wife of the first Adam was always in him, so Likewise was the Bride and Wife of the Second/Last Adam was always in Him, and this is that which constituted that Legal Bond, by which her sins were charged to her Husband her Head.

For it is by this legal union and transaction any Saint, OT or NT could have their sins charged to Christ, they would have to of the Wife the Church. The OT Saints and Prophets Looked to Christ the Head who was to come, as Isaiah did Isa 53:5-6

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him[Christ the Head of the Church] the iniquity of us all[His Body and Wife the Church].

If the OT Saint here was not Part of the Church Christ Loved and gave Himself for Eph 5:25, then there had been no legal ground for Isaiah's iniquities to have been laid to the charge of Christ[1 Cor 15:3], and he would be excluded from his own prophecy in Isa 53:5-6 ! So scripture teaches that He died specifically for His Church !

 

[Nanja]

Part 1 #987

Many in false religion have been deceived into thinking that Christ came to die for all mankind without exception, or that He came to redeem all mankind without exception, yet these are delusions, for He came to redeem and die for a particular people without distinction of any particular nation or ethnicity, a Chosen People called Israel, or the Seed of Abraham,

Now again, for the Purpose of Redemption, He was made or Born of a women, made under the Law, to Identify with the Children [of God]

Heb 2:14

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

But now the Children are Identified specifically as who in Vs 16 ? Heb 2:16

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on himthe seed of Abraham.

The Children are the Seed of Abraham, as so is their Head Christ Gal 3:16

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

And they are Identified once again in Vs 17 Heb 2:17

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

They are called His Brethren, not all men without exception are His Brethren, and they are called the People, or His People Matt 1:21. His People are the Seed of Abraham, not Abraham's carnal seed either, for Jesus told some of them Jn 8:38,41-42

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

1 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Yes, though they were carnally Abraham's seed or children, gleaned from Jn 8:37

37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

Yet they were not His Brethren Spiritually as was these were Heb 2:14-17

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Because these brethren had God as their Father as He did !

And these are the Brethren of the Seed of Abraham that He came to redeem, not all men without exception !

To deny Particular Redemption or Limited Atonement is to deny it altogether, for the scripture knows of no other !

Amen, no other!


TY for this excellent 3-part study!

The Seed of Abraham are the Elect of God, only a segment from all of humanity,
chosen in Christ and predestined, before the world began, to have remission of sins,
and an Eternal Inheritance / Eternal Life Eph. 1:4-11:
The Israel that God Promised to redeem and save Is. 45:17.

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[beloved57]

Part 1 #987





Amen, no other!


TY for this excellent 3-part study!

The Seed of Abraham are the Elect of God, only a segment from all of humanity,
chosen in Christ and predestined, before the world began, to have remission of sins,
and an Eternal Inheritance / Eternal Life Eph. 1:4-11:
The Israel that God Promised to redeem and save Is. 45:17.

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Amen God has blessed your understanding tremendously ! 1 Jn 4:6

We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

 

[Nanja]

Amen God has blessed your understanding tremendously ! 1 Jn 4:6

We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Thank You, Praise God!

The only ones who shall be made able to Spiritually Understand the Truth / Hear Gods Words,
which is Spiritual, are they who are Born of the Spirit of God or Born from Above John 3:6.

The word "knoweth / know" in 1 John 4:6 is the Greek ginōskō, and implies knowing Him intimately,
which is only possible by being indwelt with His Spirit 1 Cor. 15:45; 1 John 4:13; Gal. 4:6.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

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[musterion]

How do you know that you are saved?

I love how he ignored this unanswerable question.

 

[Bright Raven]

Amen God has blessed your understanding tremendously ! 1 Jn 4:6

We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

How do you know that you are saved?

 

[beloved57]

Thank You, Praise God!

The only ones who shall be made able to Spiritually Understand the Truth / Hear Gods Words,
which is Spiritual, are they who are Born of the Spirit of God or Born from Above John 3:6.

The word "knoweth / know" in 1 John 4:6 is the Greek ginōskō, and implies knowing Him intimately,
which is only possible by being indwelt with His Spirit 1 Cor. 15:45; 1 John 4:13; Gal. 4:6.

John 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

~~~~~

Amen!

 

[Bright Raven]

Amen!

You are ignoring the question. How do you know that you are saved?

 

[Nanja]

You are ignoring the question. How do you know that you are saved?

How is that going to help YOU?

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[musterion]

How is that going to help YOU?

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See? They can't answer it because they know where it must lead.