God gave his only son for the world. But not all will choose to accept the gift.
The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !
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republicanchick
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God gave us Christ's Church. but not all will choose to accept the gift.
some will say the gift is surrounded by sinners, so i cannot accept it..
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Accept scripture. What does scripture say;
John 3:16Modern English Version (MEV)
16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.
No, YOU have your own kind of hermeneutic, it's called EISEGESIS.
That was Paul, who sat under Jesus to learn...NOT you. I don't have a problem with what Jesus and Paul taught.
Yes the Elect, as all the examples you've itemized, are believers. None of them are nonbelievers. You can ONLY be one of the elect WHEN you believe. No such thing as a person being the elect when they are NOT saved.
If you actually understood basic English, you would know that, but sadly, the opposite is very evident.
God gave us His Son Jesus, who became the Christ when He died. Jesus showed us what the foundation of His church was in Matthew 16:16-18 (NIV)
His followers (Christians) are the church. The church is NOT an institution or a building.
Daniel1611
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He died not for our sins only but also the sins of the whole world. I don't get whats so hard to understand.
beloved57
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Then why dont you understand it ? Have you studied it ?
beloved57
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Who does Christ specifically say He died for here ?
Jn 10:11,15
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Now does Christ know all men to be His Sheep in light og Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Jn 10:11,15
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Now does Christ know all men to be His Sheep in light og Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
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You ignore the simplicity of the Gospel;
John 3:16 Modern English Version (MEV)
16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.
beloved57
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You ignored my post! And you don't believe or understand John 3:16 !
You do a LOT of that B57...but maybe you can enlighten us as to WHAT John 3:16 (NIV) IS saying?
Nanja
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The World of Jn 3:16-17 !
Part 1 thru 3:
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4327237#892
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beloved57
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Thanks! I just tell them to read my Threads! But that is what they evade, then turn around and ask me a question about it!
Nanja
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Yep, that's what they do.
So, I thought I'd just nip that one right in the bud for 'ya! ☺
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Can't or won't answer? Is she your mouth piece?
Nanja
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It's as relevant as I want it to be, given I asked the question. If you have an actual opinion that doesn't involve parroting B57, then by all means, voice it.
Nanja
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Then a poor judge of that you are.
Answer to your question:
I thoroughly studied that 3 Part series on The World of John 3:16-17 and know that it answers your question posed in post #900.
So, my opinion is that you're not interested in truly learning what that verse is saying, but only in parroting your false freewill theology. :nono:
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That's NOT an answer, and are these your words or B57's?
Apparently not thoroughly enough to actually make an INFORMED opinion.
Like I said, NOT an INFORMED opinion.