ok doser
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do you understand that i'm ridiculing your poor attempt at a comparison?
The long nightmare has just begun: Inauguration of a fraud.
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do you understand that i'm ridiculing your poor attempt at a comparison?
Do you understand how you failed to do that?
annabenedetti
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Yep. Nunes really raised eyebrows by running over to the White house with what's already known to have been legally collected under FISA authority, and in the process really shows why they need a special prosecutor.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
well, no
i'm pretty sure i did do that
sleep on it and see if it doesn't become clear :wave:
For those playing at home, that's Sod's latest shtick. Allege a superior position he can't actually demonstrate then suggest it will all become clear with sufficient time and without the effort he won't make to save himself the embarrassment.
And so he goes.
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The hardest working people in Washington, Trump defenders. On the plus side it might slow them down from doing their business in Congress (both).
Arthur Brain
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Arthur Brain
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For those playing at home, that's Sod's latest shtick. Allege a superior position he can't actually demonstrate then suggest it will all become clear with sufficient time and without the effort he won't make to save himself the embarrassment.
And so he goes.
Of, if only he would...
ok doser
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annabenedetti
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[h=1]US Officials: Info suggests Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians[/h]
The FBI has information that indicates associates of President Donald Trump communicated with suspected Russian operatives to possibly coordinate the release of information damaging to Hillary Clinton's campaign, US officials told CNN.
This is partly what FBI Director James Comey was referring to when he made a bombshell announcement Monday before Congress that the FBI is investigating the Trump campaign's ties to Russia, according to one source.
The FBI is now reviewing that information, which includes human intelligence, travel, business and phone records and accounts of in-person meetings, according to those U.S. officials. The information is raising the suspicions of FBI counterintelligence investigators that the coordination may have taken place, though officials cautioned that the information was not conclusive and that the investigation is ongoing.
In his statement on Monday Comey said the FBI began looking into possible coordination between Trump campaign associates and suspected Russian operatives because the bureau had gathered "a credible allegation of wrongdoing or reasonable basis to believe an American may be acting as an agent of a foreign power."
The White House did not comment and the FBI declined to comment.
White House press secretary Sean Spicer maintained Monday after Comey's testimony that there was no evidence to suggest any collusion took place.
"Investigating it and having proof of it are two different things," Spicer said.
One law enforcement official said the information in hand suggests "people connected to the campaign were in contact and it appeared they were giving the thumbs up to release information when it was ready." But other U.S. officials who spoke to CNN say it's premature to draw that inference from the information gathered so far since it's largely circumstantial.
The FBI cannot yet prove that collusion took place, but the information suggesting collusion is now a large focus of the investigation, the officials said.
The FBI has already been investigating four former Trump campaign associates -- Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Carter Page -- for contacts with Russians known to US intelligence. All four have denied improper contacts and CNN has not confirmed any of them are the subjects of the information the FBI is reviewing.
One of the obstacles the sources say the FBI now faces in finding conclusive intelligence is that communications between Trump's associates and Russians have ceased in recent months given the public focus on Russia's alleged ties to the Trump campaign. Some Russian officials have also changed their methods of communications, making monitoring more difficult, the officials said.
Last July, Russian intelligence agencies began orchestrating the release of hacked emails stolen in a breach of the Democratic National Committee and associated organizations, as well as email accounts belonging to Clinton campaign officials, according to U.S. intelligence agencies.
The Russian operation was also in part focused on the publication of so-called "fake news" stories aimed at undermining Hillary Clinton's campaign. But FBI investigators say they are less focused on the coordination and publication of those "fake news" stories, in part because those publications are generally protected free speech.
The release of the stolen emails, meanwhile, transformed an ordinary cyber-intrusion investigation into a much bigger case handled by the FBI's counterintelligence division.
FBI counterintelligence investigations are notoriously lengthy and often involve some of the U.S. government's most highly classified programs, such as those focused on intelligence-gathering, which can make it difficult for investigators to bring criminal charges without exposing those programs.
Investigators continue to analyze the material and information from multiple sources for any possible indications of coordination, according to US officials. Director Comey in Monday's hearing refused to reveal what specifically the FBI was looking for or who they're focusing on.
US officials said the information was not drawn from the leaked dossier of unverified information compiled by a former British intelligence official compiled for Trump's political opponents, though the dossier also suggested coordination between Trump campaign associates and Russian operatives.
The FBI has information that indicates associates of President Donald Trump communicated with suspected Russian operatives to possibly coordinate the release of information damaging to Hillary Clinton's campaign, US officials told CNN.
This is partly what FBI Director James Comey was referring to when he made a bombshell announcement Monday before Congress that the FBI is investigating the Trump campaign's ties to Russia, according to one source.
The FBI is now reviewing that information, which includes human intelligence, travel, business and phone records and accounts of in-person meetings, according to those U.S. officials. The information is raising the suspicions of FBI counterintelligence investigators that the coordination may have taken place, though officials cautioned that the information was not conclusive and that the investigation is ongoing.
In his statement on Monday Comey said the FBI began looking into possible coordination between Trump campaign associates and suspected Russian operatives because the bureau had gathered "a credible allegation of wrongdoing or reasonable basis to believe an American may be acting as an agent of a foreign power."
The White House did not comment and the FBI declined to comment.
White House press secretary Sean Spicer maintained Monday after Comey's testimony that there was no evidence to suggest any collusion took place.
"Investigating it and having proof of it are two different things," Spicer said.
One law enforcement official said the information in hand suggests "people connected to the campaign were in contact and it appeared they were giving the thumbs up to release information when it was ready." But other U.S. officials who spoke to CNN say it's premature to draw that inference from the information gathered so far since it's largely circumstantial.
The FBI cannot yet prove that collusion took place, but the information suggesting collusion is now a large focus of the investigation, the officials said.
The FBI has already been investigating four former Trump campaign associates -- Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Carter Page -- for contacts with Russians known to US intelligence. All four have denied improper contacts and CNN has not confirmed any of them are the subjects of the information the FBI is reviewing.
One of the obstacles the sources say the FBI now faces in finding conclusive intelligence is that communications between Trump's associates and Russians have ceased in recent months given the public focus on Russia's alleged ties to the Trump campaign. Some Russian officials have also changed their methods of communications, making monitoring more difficult, the officials said.
Last July, Russian intelligence agencies began orchestrating the release of hacked emails stolen in a breach of the Democratic National Committee and associated organizations, as well as email accounts belonging to Clinton campaign officials, according to U.S. intelligence agencies.
The Russian operation was also in part focused on the publication of so-called "fake news" stories aimed at undermining Hillary Clinton's campaign. But FBI investigators say they are less focused on the coordination and publication of those "fake news" stories, in part because those publications are generally protected free speech.
The release of the stolen emails, meanwhile, transformed an ordinary cyber-intrusion investigation into a much bigger case handled by the FBI's counterintelligence division.
FBI counterintelligence investigations are notoriously lengthy and often involve some of the U.S. government's most highly classified programs, such as those focused on intelligence-gathering, which can make it difficult for investigators to bring criminal charges without exposing those programs.
Investigators continue to analyze the material and information from multiple sources for any possible indications of coordination, according to US officials. Director Comey in Monday's hearing refused to reveal what specifically the FBI was looking for or who they're focusing on.
US officials said the information was not drawn from the leaked dossier of unverified information compiled by a former British intelligence official compiled for Trump's political opponents, though the dossier also suggested coordination between Trump campaign associates and Russian operatives.
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exminister
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Fox gave a short clip. Seeing the whole thing is baffling.
Devin Nunes press conference
Nunes-This has nothing to do with the Trump campaign Russian connection but I am very concerned and need to tell the president
3:40 - Was the president part of this incidental collection? Nunes-Yes
3:50 - Was the presidents personal communications tapped? Nunes-No
4:00 - Was the president communications incidentally tapped? Nunes- It is possible, but we won't know til Friday
4:30 - Was the tapping done incidentally or illegally? Nunes-I believe it was done all legally.
5:00 - Nunes - Paraphased: I don't know nothing, nothing
How do you give so many different answers to the same question?
Why do you tell the guy being investigated about parts of the investigation? Nunes is demonstrating he cannot be independent in this investigation.
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Where did they come up with all these personal records if no surveillance or intercepts were going on?
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annabenedetti
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Yep.
Republican Nunes Tries to Give Trump Cover on Wiretap Claim
Almost two weeks after President Donald Trump’s tweets accusing his predecessor of wiretapping Trump Tower, the Republican head of the House Intelligence Committee tried to offer some support by saying that the president’s team was caught up in a U.S. surveillance net.
Representative Devin Nunes said Wednesday that the intelligence community collected multiple conversations involving members of Trump’s transition team during legal surveillance of foreign targets after he won election last year. After Nunes went to the White House to brief Trump, the president told reporters “I somewhat do” feel vindicated by the latest development.
The committee’s top Democrat, Adam Schiff of California, said Nunes’s decision to go to Trump before informing other members of the panel “casts quite a profound cloud” over whether the committee can conduct a proper investigation.
. . . .
The intercepted communications weren’t captured through wiretaps -- the president’s spokesmen had already abandoned that assertion -- or through surveillance directed at Trump or his aides, Nunes told reporters at the Capitol before heading to the White House to brief Trump.
The Intelligence Committee chairman is taking a risk in providing a measure of cover for the president. His committee is one of the congressional panels that’s supposed to be providing oversight of the investigation by the FBI and other agencies into Russian meddling in last year’s presidential campaign. Nunes -- who served on Trump’s transition team -- said the surveillance that picked up Trump’s associates wasn’t aimed at Russia.
Schiff said Nunes has to decide whether he’s going to lead the Intelligence Committee or “act as a surrogate of the White House. He cannot do both.” The Democrat said an independent investigation is needed to investigate Russia’s interference and any contacts between those around Trump and the Russian government.
. . . .
The significance of Nunes’s disclosure was questioned even by a key Republican. "If the Trump campaign’s conversations are caught up in surveilling a foreign agent, there are rules about what you can release and who you can unmask,” Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters. “That’s different than having the Obama administration surveil the Trump campaign.”
Trump and his aides have tried to deflect attention from the probe of Russian meddling by focusing on the assertion that they were the victims of surveillance and through complaints that information about the investigation -- and contacts between Trump allies and Russian officials -- have been leaked by the intelligence community.
Representative Devin Nunes said Wednesday that the intelligence community collected multiple conversations involving members of Trump’s transition team during legal surveillance of foreign targets after he won election last year. After Nunes went to the White House to brief Trump, the president told reporters “I somewhat do” feel vindicated by the latest development.
The committee’s top Democrat, Adam Schiff of California, said Nunes’s decision to go to Trump before informing other members of the panel “casts quite a profound cloud” over whether the committee can conduct a proper investigation.
. . . .
The intercepted communications weren’t captured through wiretaps -- the president’s spokesmen had already abandoned that assertion -- or through surveillance directed at Trump or his aides, Nunes told reporters at the Capitol before heading to the White House to brief Trump.
The Intelligence Committee chairman is taking a risk in providing a measure of cover for the president. His committee is one of the congressional panels that’s supposed to be providing oversight of the investigation by the FBI and other agencies into Russian meddling in last year’s presidential campaign. Nunes -- who served on Trump’s transition team -- said the surveillance that picked up Trump’s associates wasn’t aimed at Russia.
Schiff said Nunes has to decide whether he’s going to lead the Intelligence Committee or “act as a surrogate of the White House. He cannot do both.” The Democrat said an independent investigation is needed to investigate Russia’s interference and any contacts between those around Trump and the Russian government.
. . . .
The significance of Nunes’s disclosure was questioned even by a key Republican. "If the Trump campaign’s conversations are caught up in surveilling a foreign agent, there are rules about what you can release and who you can unmask,” Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters. “That’s different than having the Obama administration surveil the Trump campaign.”
Trump and his aides have tried to deflect attention from the probe of Russian meddling by focusing on the assertion that they were the victims of surveillance and through complaints that information about the investigation -- and contacts between Trump allies and Russian officials -- have been leaked by the intelligence community.
annabenedetti
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Devin Nunes Apologizes
Apology's not enough. They need a special prosecutor.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (D-CA) apologized to his colleagues behind closed doors Thursday after going straight to the media and then the White House to claim that Trump transition staffers’ communications were “incidentally” picked up by the U.S. intelligence community, according to one Democrat on the committee.
What exactly he’s sorry for, we don’t know.
Asked by CNN’s John Berman what Nunes apologized for, Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA) said “that’s not clear.”
“Adam Schiff first raised the issue, 'Why didn't you tell me, why didn't you go through channels here within the SCIF, a secure area where we do our business,'” Speier said. “After a few minutes, Devin Nunes did apologize in a generic way.”
Nunes said Thursday that it was “just a judgment call” to go to the press and to the President with the revelation about surveillance of Trump staffers, which he said was unrelated to the FBI investigation into whether there was any "cooperation" between Trump's campaign and Russian officials, before briefing his fellow members. Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), the ranking Democrat on the committee, and others argued that Nunes damaged the credibility of their investigation by doing so.
What exactly he’s sorry for, we don’t know.
Asked by CNN’s John Berman what Nunes apologized for, Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA) said “that’s not clear.”
“Adam Schiff first raised the issue, 'Why didn't you tell me, why didn't you go through channels here within the SCIF, a secure area where we do our business,'” Speier said. “After a few minutes, Devin Nunes did apologize in a generic way.”
Nunes said Thursday that it was “just a judgment call” to go to the press and to the President with the revelation about surveillance of Trump staffers, which he said was unrelated to the FBI investigation into whether there was any "cooperation" between Trump's campaign and Russian officials, before briefing his fellow members. Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), the ranking Democrat on the committee, and others argued that Nunes damaged the credibility of their investigation by doing so.
Apology's not enough. They need a special prosecutor.
annabenedetti
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[h=1]When a President Can't Be Taken at His Word[/h]
At the end of the interview, Trump told Scherer:
"Hey look, in the meantime, I guess, I can’t be doing so badly, because I’m president, and you’re not."