Arthur Brain
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Same here, it's just as well JR isn't ever going to have the chance to do what he would so willingly volunteer to do. "Funny" how religious zealots have so little compassion and love about them at times...
The Left has become dangerously unhinged.
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Same here, it's just as well JR isn't ever going to have the chance to do what he would so willingly volunteer to do. "Funny" how religious zealots have so little compassion and love about them at times...
If I were king, I would have the execution broadcast publicly.
It's "funny" how liberals such as yourself punish the victims and love the criminals, and then mock those of us who want to love the victims and punish the criminals.
It's because of my love for the victims that I want to see criminals punished appropriately, and the victims compensated.
Arthur, a couple of questions for you:
What should be the punishment for theft?
God says it should be restitution, but I want to know what you think.
What should the punishment be for someone assaulting someone else and causing the victim to, say, lose an eye?
God says "eye for eye," but I want to know what you think.
What should the punishment be for someone who kills an innocent person?
God says the murderer should be executed, but I want to know what you think.
Oh, and by the way, come Judgment Day, if you haven't repented and accepted Christ as your Savior by then, I have one verse for you to think about...
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? - 1 Corinthians 6:2a http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians6:2&version=NKJV
Meaning I'll be right up there with Jesus judging.
Arthur Brain
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You don't have the first clue what love entails. I doubt you've ever even felt such an emotion. I've no interest in "punishing" the victims of crimes as you absurdly suggest whereas you would be quite happy to pull the plug on people simply for being gay. What would you do to comfort the loved ones of the "homo" after executing them whilst wearing an NBC suit?
lain: What a complete crock.
Have you even heard of the New Testament? You were born thousands of years after your time...
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Arthur Brain
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What does the bible say about those who are unloving and unmerciful? I wouldn't wish anything on you that you would do and judge to others as I only care about the judgements made from people I respect. All of those exhibit care and compassion for others. So guess what I think about yours...
Ad hominem much?
Hence why I asked what you think the punishments should be for different crimes.
Could you answer my three questions please?
Because homosexuality is an ABOMINATION, and God says that homos should be put to death because of that fact.
What would you say to the loved ones of the murderer after executing him for killing an innocent person?
More ad hominem attacks.
Hey Artie, I asked what YOU think, not what God thinks, because I know what God thinks. Even the New Testament affirms the death penalty.
But I'm asking what YOU, Arthur Brain, think the punishment should be for theft, assault resulting in permanent injury, and murder.
So go ahead, tell me what the punishment should be for the criminal commits those crimes.
It says that judges should no show mercy to criminals.
Again, my questions remain:
What do you think should happen to a thief?
What do you think should happen to someone who assaults someone causing permanent injury?
What do you think should happen to a murderer?
You claim to be more loving than I am, so let's hear how loving you are.
Arthur Brain
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It was an observation. Like many religious zealots, you lack or display anything resembling love, compassion or empathy but cold and callous judgement.
If you were genuine you wouldn't have made the asinine statement that you did.
Oh, and typical of the zealous little fundamentalist, he latches onto a bit of text from the OT to justify his putrid attitude towards his fellow beings who just don't happen to be straight. Not only that, you have to accentuate how you'd have to "protect" yourself while killing them. You know nothing about love or compassion at all. Just another crackpot.
A homosexual isn't a murderer and you're deflecting. What would you say to the loved ones of a homosexual you've just killed? How you're sorry for their loss after taking your protective suit off?
Um, nope.
You think it condones stoning? You don't know squat, maybe a few years and some much needed experience will shake you up a bit.
Pretty much what the law already has in regards to such.
You're not a judge, you're just an indoctrinated, naive and callous kid. I just hope that life shakes that out of you.
Over here, what the law already dictates. I'm anti DP more for the inevitable miscarriages of justice than anything and lashing and stoning?
Get real and grow some empathy and individual thinking. It's not a crime.
Idolater
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There've been too many of both.
'Disagree?
How do I feel about it? I feel like; for blanked-y-blank, could you have chosen to not commit a capital crime instead? And how expensive is a rope and a timber gallows? Or a couple ounces of potassium chloride solution and (no need for it to be sterilized of course!) a syringe?
Capital crimes themselves are the biggest problem. We need less of them, we need none of them---one is one too many.
And for capital crimes, it's legitimate to be against the death penalty, and it's also legitimate to support the death penalty. I support it.
That might lower the inherent injustice of having a murderer's victim's families and friends pay taxes in order to feed, clothe, and shelter the predator for the rest of his life; would you concede that?
I've got no use for 'left' as a descriptor. Democrats are unhinged right now; hysterically paranoid. I hope not dangerously so.
Idolater
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I can't. I mean---I could, but no. The Church counsels on torture, and I need to heed what she teaches, in order to conform my thinking to the thinking of Christ, which is something that I like the idea of, more than I like the idea of horrifically torturing a child predator, like perhaps this nurse is.
eider
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Fair enough.
But I need to discover more about all this.
There are many offences in the 613 which carry the death penalty, so I need to discover if any are repealed, etc.
eider
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The above sent in connection with a suspected child murderer, a nurse at a Cheshire (UK) hospital.
of the bible
The OT laws in the first five books, the 507 (I'm not including the 106 sacrificial laws) cover several/many criminal offences that carry the death penalty, execution methods varying according to offences.
Because of your previous answers here, would I be correct in guessing that you might support execution for all such crimes, like adultery? There must be many others as well?
1 Corinthians 13:1 If I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [2] And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [3] And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. [4] Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; [5] Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;
[6] Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth with the truth; [7] Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. [8] Charity never falleth away: whether prophecies shall be made void, or tongues shall cease, or knowledge shall be destroyed. [9] For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. [10] But when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.
[11] When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But, when I became a man, I put away the things of a child. [12] We see now through a glass in a dark manner; but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then I shall know even as I am known. [13] And now there remain faith, hope, and charity, these three: but the greatest of these is charity.
God said do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, and do not bear false witness.
Do any of those laws not apply to any person?
No, they all apply to everyone equally.
Therefore, the punishments for them should be as God commanded.
Death, death, restitution, and whatever is at stake, respectively.
I recommend Bob Enyart's "God and the Death Penalty," and "God's Criminal Justice System" (along with the PDF as well) resources.
Moral laws are for everyone. Ceremonial laws, sacrificial laws, and laws only meant for Israel are not and should not be applied to the rest of the world.
eider
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Rather more than your list, I think?
Sentences for most of the following crimes are most severe, I think:-
Sacrificing to gods other than YHWH
Worshipping Baal
False prophecy
Necromancy,
witchcraft in general.
Blasphemy
Sabbath breaking
Rape by a man of a betrothed woman in the countryside
Being either participant in consensual sexual activity, in which a betrothed woman consensually loses her virginity to a man
Adultery with a married woman
Loss of virginity by a woman prior to marriage, to someone other than her husband while falsely representing herself as a virgin before the marriage ceremony
Marrying one's wife's mother
Certain forms of incest, namely if it involves the father's wife or a daughter-in-law
Male on male sexual intercourse.
Bestiality
Prostitution by the daughter of a priest
Murder
Negligent homicide, specifically by ox-goring, if already warned about the behavior of the ox. Death punishment is no longer required if the interested party requires payment of a fee. The death penalty does not apply to ox-goring of slaves.
Smiting a parent
Cursing a parent
A son who persists in disobeying his parents
Kidnapping
Contempt of court
False witness to a capital crime
eider
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Was that name not convicted or tried for child abuse of some kind, in the past?
eider
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I already excluded the sacrificial laws, as you know.
But do you keep all the moral laws?
There are 507 laws that strengthen, secure, make stronger, cohese (hold together) and protect from sickness...... for all the people. How many do you actually follow and obey? None of them are merely 'moral laws', they are all facilitators towards the above conditions. But you might not have bothered with all of them?
Law for Israel only.
Same.
Same.
Repealed.
Same
Law for Israel only.
Same
Man is executed for rape, woman is presumed innocent.
The punishment for fornication is that the fornicators should be forced to marry and never allow them to divorce.
Both participants should be executed.
Prior to marriage, then it's fornication. Same as above punishment for fornication.
Is incest. Execution, for all three.
All incest should result in execution, as it is a form of rape.
An abomination. Punishment is execution.
Execution of both the person and the animal.
(Note that many of the sexually transmitted diseases we have today have come as a result of people having sex with animals.)
Prostitution itself should be a crime, and the punishments for adultery and fornication apply. If a single woman has sex with a single man, they should be forced to marry without divorce. A married woman and or married man having sex is adultery, and both should be executed.
The "priest's prostituting daughter" scenario punishment, however, has been repealed, because it was only intended for Israel.
Duh, execution.
Negligent homicide should result in execution, and anyone who could have avoided an otherwise accidental homicide should be flogged.
Repealed
Repealed
Repealed
Is a capital crime, and the kidnapper should be executed.
Flogging.
The punishment for false witness is whatever is at steak. False witness concerning a theft? Restitution. False witness concerning bodily injury (for example)? Corporal punishment. False witness concerning a capital crime? Execution.
He went to prison for a few months because he spanked his stepson, 5 swats on the backside. If you use the liberal's definition of child abuse, sure, it was child abuse. In reality, he was following the biblical model of disciplining his child.
Tagging [MENTION=510]Bob Enyart[/MENTION] just in case he'd like to add anything.
I keep no law.
None.
Christians are to love God and their neighbors. If a christian does that, he will not violate any (righteous) law.
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