Brother Ducky
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Apostle Paul.
The issue regarding who might possibly call on the name is just not addressed at all in the statement.
The "L" in TULIP Means that Jesus is NOT Lord
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Apostle Paul.
The issue regarding who might possibly call on the name is just not addressed at all in the statement.
You make no logical sense. Are you aware of that?
Brother Ducky
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Not the first time I have erroneously been accused of this. I thimk I speech English goodly.
Let's look at another statement in the same form, but without the theological/emotional baggage.
Whosoever runs a 2 hour marathon, will win.
At the moment, this is a true statement. It does not mean that everyone can run a 2 hour marathon.
God is not taking anyone to heaven that does not want to be there. It is evident to me that many would not be happy in heaven with Christ. If you don't love and believe in him now, you won't love and believe on him in heaven.
This means that... "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
The "Whosoevers" that call upon the name of the Lord are those who by their own free will have chosen to be with Christ in heaven because they love and believe in him.
beloved57
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Promoting Salvation by works by what a person does.Those Christ died for are reconciled to God and on their way to heaven while they are enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 !
beloved57
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Calling upon the name of the Lord is evidence that one is saved and not a condition to do to get saved.
So there is going to be Christ rejectors and God haters in heaven. In that case count me out.
beloved57
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Invalid question, show me where I posted that! Or admit that you are dealing in deceit!
Nanja
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First one is given Faith Gal. 5:22 in New Birth, then the Word of Truth,
the Gospel, is revealed, or made known, unto that Faith.
It's by the Spirit that that we come to Believe that we are one Christ died for:
Rom. 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.
That's the only way one can know for sure that they are a Heaven-bound Child of God.
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You people think God regenerates you first then, gives you faith. You're totally confused.
Evidence of the Holy Spirit
Evidence of the Holy Spirit
This was supposed to be a new thread, but somehow it wound up here.
There are many on the Forum that claim to be Christians, but there is no evidence of the Holy Spirit in what they write.
One of the works of the Devil is to make people think that they are saved when they are not. There are many counterfeit Christians on the Forum.
Here are some of the evidences of the presence of the Holy Spirit.
Posses the Spirit of truth, John 14:17.
Believes and understands the Gospel, John 14:26.
Is Christ centered, abides in Christ, John 15:4.
Loves other believers that are Christians, John 15:12.
Testifies of Christ and his Gospel, John 15:26.
Does not speak about him or her self, John 16:13.
Glorifies Christ and his Gospel, John 16:14.
Believes the Bible, 2 Timothy 3:15.
Is not religious. Resting in Christ, Hebrews 4:10.
Professes to be a sinner. A saved sinner, 1 John 1:8.
Is a peace with God, Romans 5:1.
Has been justified by faith, Romans 5:1.
Believes that Jesus has atoned for their sins and the sins of the world, 1 John 2:2.
There are many other evidences of the Holy Spirit such as love, peace, joy, longsuffering, hope, patience. However, there are many unsaved people that posses these qualities.
Evidence of the Holy Spirit
This was supposed to be a new thread, but somehow it wound up here.
There are many on the Forum that claim to be Christians, but there is no evidence of the Holy Spirit in what they write.
One of the works of the Devil is to make people think that they are saved when they are not. There are many counterfeit Christians on the Forum.
Here are some of the evidences of the presence of the Holy Spirit.
Posses the Spirit of truth, John 14:17.
Believes and understands the Gospel, John 14:26.
Is Christ centered, abides in Christ, John 15:4.
Loves other believers that are Christians, John 15:12.
Testifies of Christ and his Gospel, John 15:26.
Does not speak about him or her self, John 16:13.
Glorifies Christ and his Gospel, John 16:14.
Believes the Bible, 2 Timothy 3:15.
Is not religious. Resting in Christ, Hebrews 4:10.
Professes to be a sinner. A saved sinner, 1 John 1:8.
Is a peace with God, Romans 5:1.
Has been justified by faith, Romans 5:1.
Believes that Jesus has atoned for their sins and the sins of the world, 1 John 2:2.
There are many other evidences of the Holy Spirit such as love, peace, joy, longsuffering, hope, patience. However, there are many unsaved people that posses these qualities.
Brother Ducky
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Not exactly sure what you mean to say here. Especially in the second clause. But the first is also unclear.
What do you mean by "others?" Martians? Dispensationalists? While not universal, it is my impression that Calvinists are far more willing to accept those who hold different theological views as brothers and sisters than non-Calvinists. I suppose we could make a list of Calvinists and non-Calvinists who damn those on the other list and see which is longer...
Calvinists are usually pretty loath to say that any individual is lost. Or not of the elect. We usually consider that to be something that only God knows. While my eternal state in heaven has been questioned on many occasions, I do not think that I have ever reciprocated in kind, and that would also apply, I believe, to most Calvinists here.
musterion
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You affirm that God deliberately dispensed with saving the (presumable) majority of mankind. He simply didn't want to, so He didn't and won't.
Brother Ducky
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Never would have gotten that from the first post.
Not sure about the ration of elect to non-elect, but I would not care to presume. I especially would not take that presumption and make it part of any argumentation.
Yes, I affirm that God saves monergistically those he has chosen to save, all those he has chosen to save, and only those he has chosen to save. Although I am not sure that I would say "simply" to the choosing.
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Indeed. The willingness of others that disagree with the Reformed to consign them as lost, hell-bound, and sin-bent only serves to validate the gnashing of the teeth of those encountered with stark truths, not of few of which, of course, are but "Calvinists in training".
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1. the Trinity: the Godhead eternally exists in three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—and that these three are one God, having precisely the same nature, attributes, and perfections, and worthy of precisely the same homage, confidence, and obedience
(Matt. 28:18-19; Mark 12:29; John 1:14; Acts 5:3-4; 2 Cor. 13:14; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 1:4-6)
2. the full deity and humanity of Christ
(Luke 1:30-35; John 1:18; 3:16; Heb. 4:15; Luke 2:40; John 1:1-2; Phil. 2:5-8)
3. the spiritual lostness of the human race
(Gen. 1:26; 2:17; 6:5; Pss. 14:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 17:9; John 3:6; 5:40; 6:35; Rom. 3:10-19; 8:6-7; Eph. 2:1-3; 1 Tim. 5:6; 1 John 3:8)
4. the substitutionary atonement and bodily resurrection of Christ
(John 1:11; Acts 2:22-24; 1 Tim. 2:6; John 1:29; Rom. 3:25-26; 2 Cor. 5:14; Heb. 10:5-14; 1 Pet. 3:18; John 20:20; Phil. 3:20-21; Heb. 1:3; Eph. 1:22-23; Heb. 7:25; 1 John 2:1)
5. salvation by faith alone in Christ alone with assurance of eternal security
(Lev. 17:11; Isa. 64:6; Matt. 26:28; John 3:7-18; Rom. 5:6-9; 2 Cor. 5:21; Gal. 3:13; 6:15; Eph. 1:7; Phil. 3:4-9; Titus 3:5; James 1:18; 1 Pet. 1:18-19, 23; John 1:12; 3:16, 18, 36; 5:24; 6:29; Acts 13:39; 16:31; Rom. 1:16-17; 3:22, 26; 4:5; 10:4; Gal. 3:22; John 5:24; 10:28; 13:1; 14:16-17; 17:11; Rom. 8:29; 1 Cor. 6:19; Heb. 7:25; Luke 10:20; 22:32; 2 Cor. 5:1, 6-8; 2 Tim. 1:12; Heb. 10:22; 1 John 5:13; 1 John 2:1-2; 5:13; Jude 24)
6. the physical return of Christ
(Deut. 30:1-10; Isa. 11:9; Ezek. 37:21-28; Matt. 24:15-25:46; Acts 15:16-17; Rom. 8:19-23; 11:25-27; 1 Tim. 4:1-3; 2 Tim. 3:1-5; Rev. 20:1-3); and
7. the authority and inerrancy of Scripture
(Mark 12:26, 36; 13:11; Luke 24:27, 44; John 5:39; Acts 1:16; 17:2-3; 18:28; 26:22-23; 28:23; Rom. 15:4; 1 Cor. 2:13; 10:11; 2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Pet. 1:21).
Point 7 is going to give you problems, Robert.
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What do you do with these scriptures?
"That he by the grace of God should taste death for everyone" Hebrews 2:9.
"Who will have ALL MEN to be saved and to come into the knowledge of the truth" 1 Timothy 2:4.
"But is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish" 2 Peter 3:9.
Long post with tons of scripture is just another smoke screen.
Now, if you will explain this scripture.
"That he (Jesus) by the grace of God should taste death for EVERYONE" Hebrews 2:9.
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musterion
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Because you're a Calvinist and it's what Calvinists believe. I did not misrepresent you; I just put it in blunt terms.