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You the one being evasive !
Evasive or not, the Bible says nowhere that God authored sin. You made it up by means of irrational logic. You need to accept truth and not alter it to fit your theological logic; then apologize to everybody that reads your poor logic and beg their forgiveness for trying to lead them away from truth. What are you going to answer God at the judgment when He asks why you taught that He authored adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like? Shame....shame.... one would think you would know better.
Adam must sin according to being made for the Lord Jesus Christ and His Eternal Purpose of Redemption, for all things, including Adam and those in him were made by and for the Lord Jesus Christ Col 1:16 !
Also according to the Divine Purpose Adam must be given a Law in order for him to Transgress the Command of God, for if he would have obeyed the law or command, then that would have been counter to God's Purpose in Christ, whereas Christ had already been constituted the Lamb slain from the foundation Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Also 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Yes, the Redeeming blood of Christ was foreordained before the foundation, hence before Adam was Created, who can deny that ?
If Adam would have rendered perfect obedience and gained Eternal Life, that would have defeated the Eternal Purpose of creating all things for Jesus Christ.
Scripture does declare that Christ was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, before it began, and that all things were made by Him and for Him Col 1:16 as He was before all things Col 1:17, then all things were made by Him and for Him in that Capacity of being slain before the foundation !
Thats why Adam must sin, and transgress the Law of God, for in the Eternal Purpose of God, He had already been wounded for our transgressions Isa 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
The wounded for our transgressions is the same as the being the slain Lamb from the foundation !
Excellently explained! The Lamb was slain in the Eternal Purpose of God before the world and Adam were even created.
Also, Adam had all of the Elect Seed in him as their Federal Head; those which God had already chosen and predestined
to become saved from their sins by the Blood and Death of Jesus Christ, before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4-9 KJV),
according to the counsel of His Own Will (Eph. 1:11 KJV). Yes, Adam's sinning was surely ordained of God.
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Bless you , you are the only one here that responds favorablely to the Gospel Truth !
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Excellently explained! The Lamb was slain in the Eternal Purpose of God before the world and Adam were even created.
Also, Adam had all of the Elect Seed in him as their Federal Head; those which God had already chosen and predestined
to become saved from their sins by the Blood and Death of Jesus Christ, before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4-9 KJV),
according to the counsel of His Own Will (Eph. 1:11 KJV). Yes, Adam's sinning was surely ordained of God.
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So you too believe that God ordained sin.
So since sin was ordained(established) by good, you must also believe that sin is good. The same cause that caused sin, also caused good. Sin and good are of the same cause, therefore sin and good are synonamous; there really is no difference. Now you have a predicament; whether you sin or not doesn't matter, because either way you are being led by the same cause: that cause is God. Everybody is elect because everybody is serving God; He causes them to do so.
Now would you explain to me, how someone who teaches Calvinism, can say that anyone needs to be saved from their sins (the sin that God authored and which is good)?
It doesn't matter. He just decided who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Are you going to heaven for serving God, or are you going to hell for serving God? You can't ever know till you're there, since you're a Calvinist.
Evasion !
Did God really want Adam to obey that command found in Gen 2:17 ? Lets read Gen 2:16-17
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
I don't believe it was God's Purpose nor design in giving adam that command, for him to render explicit obedience to it , for if He did, then Adam's inclination proved greater than God's Purpose, which would contradict a scripture such as Prov 19:21
21 There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand.
The word devises, the heb word is Machashabah and means:
thought, device thought
device, plan, purpose
invention ,schemes NASB
So if it was really God's Purpose and desgn for adam not to sin by eating of that tree, then adam's desire and the serpents evil scheme proved Greater than God's Purpose and overcame it !
Now such a thought cannot even begin to be entertained for one second to a heart that Truly knows the True God, and Fears Him with Holy Reverence !
Nor was it God's purpose and design in commanding Abraham to sacrifice Isaac his Son, to the point of death, even though Abraham may have perceived it that way, however God's Purpose was made manifest when at the very point Abraham was to deliver the fatal blow, An Angel halted him !
So if it was really God's Purpose and desgn for adam not to sin by eating of that tree, then adam's desire and the serpents evil scheme proved Greater than God's Purpose and overcame it !
Now such a thought cannot even begin to be entertained for one second to a heart that Truly knows the True God, and Fears Him with Holy Reverence !
Nor was it God's purpose and design in commanding Abraham to sacrifice Isaac his Son, to the point of death, even though Abraham may have perceived it that way, however God's Purpose was made manifest when at the very point Abraham was to deliver the fatal blow, An Angel halted him !
If adam had not sinned, and he and his posterity in him could have gained the eternal inheritance by his obedience to the covenant of works he was under Hosea 6:7, then the Glory of Eternal Life and Inheritance had gone to Adam and Not Jesus Christ, it could read Rom 6:23b " The Gift of God is Eternal Life through Adam our father "
Is God the Author of Sin ?
Yes, most certainly He is,...
Hey, you profess to be a Calvinist, could you show me where Calvin said that God authored sin?
How can a foetus, or lets even say a zygote have any "sin in their head"?! :freak:
Your own personal belief system is monstrous. lain: