Supreme Court Upholds Ban on Anti-Gay Therapy

[glassjester]

Should a Quack doctor, say a 'Dr Nick' type out of 'The Simpsons' be allowed to operate with a license, and should parents be allowed to take their children to him for treatment as opposed to a legitimate general practitioner?

Probably not.

The government are shutting these places down because they're not only run by unqualified people, they've been proven to be harmful in the process. There is no medical or scientific legitimacy to 'conversion therapy'.

It makes sense to stop torturous methods of "therapy." I'm not against the government stopping that type of thing. But is that all that's been outlawed? Or is it any attempt at getting rid of unwanted same-sex attractions?

Highly doubtful. There doesn't seem to be any credible record for people being able to change attraction but there's plenty to suggest there's no effective technique for 'curing' people of being gay. There's even some former therapists that have apologised for their practices and admit it doesn't work.

So for those people - attracted to animals or objects - should professionals continue to search for ways to help them get rid of those attractions, or should they not bother?

 

[glassjester]

except for that pesky example of people doing just that in prison

Don't you know how confirmation bias works? Counter-examples don't count!

 

[quip]

So for those people - attracted to animals or objects - should professionals continue to search for ways to help them get rid of those attractions, or should they not bother?

Probably so, since they may pose a danger to themselves or other.

 

[ok doser]

Probably so, since they may pose a danger to themselves or other.

so if someone poses a danger to themselves or thers, their behavior should be controlled?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Probably not.

Exactly, which is the case with these "therapy centers". They've been proven to use abusive and ineffective methods that have only caused harm, hence why they're being deemed unlawful. Rightfully so, so in that regard no parent should be allowed to subject their child to one. Agreed?

It makes sense to stop torturous methods of "therapy." I'm not against the government stopping that type of thing. But is that all that's been outlawed? Or is it any attempt at getting rid of unwanted same-sex attractions?

Like what? Emotional manipulation? Telling the child they're hurting their family by having such attractions? What constitutes 'torture' in your view exactly? There's several forms of psychological abuse that would fall under that remit AFAIC.

So for those people - attracted to animals or objects - should professionals continue to search for ways to help them get rid of those attractions, or should they not bother?

According to you, people can train themselves to like any sort of thing so how about you get on and be the 'light bearer'...?

 

[quip]

so if someone poses a danger to themselves or thers, their behavior should be controlled?

Extreme example....unfair! :up:

 

[Arthur Brain]

Don't you know how confirmation bias works? Counter-examples don't count!

Oh please, that little side bar has been done to death as it is and it's all documented on here...

 

[Angel4Truth]

Upholding and refusing to hear, are not the same thing.

Get your kids of out of the pervert state of California. Vote with your feet.

 

[MrDante]

Either one should be sufficient.

It's not the job of a parent to encourage or even accept every desire their child has. Otherwise we'd have a nation full of obese, sexually amoral, screen-addicted kids. Oh wait...




What about therapies that don't involve torture or abuse? Should any and all therapies aimed at getting rid of unwanted same-sex attraction be illegal?

What therapies would those be?

 

[glassjester]

Oh please, that little side bar has been done to death as it is and it's all documented on here...

So it's incorrect because people repeat it?

 

[MrDante]

Sure. It's the government's call.

And as for the parents that continue to seek to help (without abuse or torture, as mentioned in the op) their child get rid of unwanted same-sex attractions... they should be fined? Jailed? Have their children taken away?

Maybe they should just go to a real therapist.

 

[glassjester]

What therapies would those be?

I am not sure. What kinds of therapies, if any, are available to these people?

From: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-excess/201307/intimate-and-inanimate

Amy Wolfe a 33-year old woman from Pennsylvania (US) declared her romantic feelings for a fairground ride ‘1001 Nachts’ in Knoebels Amusement Park that she fell in love with aged 13 years. She said: “I love him as much as women love their husbands and know we'll be together forever. I was instantly attracted to him sexually and mentally”. She's now marrying the ride.

41-year-old Joachim A. from Germany, a 41-year old man recognized and accepted his inclination when he was just 12 years old. He fell head over heels “into an emotionally and physically very complex and deep relationship, which lasted for years.” His partner as a teenager was a Hammond organ. He’s now in a steady relationship with a steam locomotive and has been for several years.

 

[glassjester]

Maybe they should just go to a real therapist.

Is a real therapist allowed to help someone who wants to be rid of same-sex attraction? Or are they only allowed to "help" them embrace it?

 

[MrDante]

Yes, you're right. You've correctly identified an example of hyperbole. Very good.

So you don't feel that children should be legally entitled to act on every desire they have? That's a relief.

But you seem to be suggesting that it's the government, not the parents, whose responsibility it is to determine which desires are appropriate for children to have.

That is not at all within the rights of the government. That's a parent's role, man.

The government has also outlawed ice pic lobotomies. Is the government denying the right's of parents to make use of teh one treatmetn that has ever been shown to permanantly remove those "unwanted same sed desires"?

 

[ok doser]

I am not sure. What kinds of therapies, if any, are available to these people?

From: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-excess/201307/intimate-and-inanimate

artie will deny that those people exist

 

[MrDante]

I am not sure. What kinds of therapies, if any, are available to these people?

Ones based on research and not on an agenda.

One's that don't begin with lying to the client

one's that no one would pretend would be appropriate for a three year old

 

[MrDante]

Is a real therapist allowed to help someone who wants to be rid of same-sex attraction? Or are they only allowed to "help" them embrace it?

A real therapist would begin with why its unwanted and how much of the why not in externally influences and how much is internalized self hate.

 

[glassjester]

A real therapist would begin with why its unwanted and how much of the why not in externally influences and how much is internalized self hate.

Ok, then what?

 

[Angel4Truth]

Ones based on research and not on an agenda.

One's that don't begin with lying to the client

one's that no one would pretend would be appropriate for a three year old

Sexuality isnt appropriate for a 3 year old - stop being a perv

 

[glassjester]

Ones based on research and not on an agenda.

One's that don't begin with lying to the client

one's that no one would pretend would be appropriate for a three year old

Sounds fair.