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Q: Doesn't the wisdom of Solomon say there is no activity or planning or
knowledge or wisdom in sheol? (Eccl 9:10)
A: When studying the book of Ecclesiastes, it doesn't take long to catch on
that his philosophy is based upon what can be seen through the eyes of
empirical evidence and human experience. In other words: Ecclesiastes is a
worldly view rather than a spiritual view. So, in order to obtain a spiritual
view of reality, one must resort to the revelations of an inspired prophet
rather than the reflections of an educated intellectual.
Jonah 2:1-7 is very tricky. There are actually three prayers mentioned in it.
One was prayed from the belly of the fish, one was prayed from the belly of
sheol, and one was prayed at the point of Jonah's death. Very tricky.
Long story short, Jonah said that sheol is at the bottoms of the mountains.
(Jonah 2:6)
The bottoms of the mountains are not located in the tummy of a fish; they're
located in the depths of the earth.
He also said "As for the earth, its bars were upon me for time indefinite."
(Jonah 2:6)
The bars of a fish are its ribs, the bars of the earth are its mantle.
What I'm getting at is: although sheol probably includes one's grave, it's not
limited to that because while Jonah's body was on ice in the fish's tummy,
he was imprisoned at the bottoms of the mountains.
Christ likened his experience to that of Jonah's.
†. Matt 12:40 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a
huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart
of the earth.
Christ's corpse wasn't buried in the heart of the earth. It was interred on the
surface of the earth. In point of fact, his grave wasn't even located in the
earth's soil: it was above the soil in a rock-hewn tomb. So then:
Was Jonah in the belly of a fish three days and three nights?
Yes.
Was Jesus Christ in the belly of a tomb three days and three nights?
Yes.
Was Jonah at the bottoms of the mountains?
Yes.
Was Jesus Christ in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights?
Yes.
The only possible means by which all the above could be true for both Jonah
and Jesus Christ, is if the men and their bodies parted company and went
separate ways when they died.
How do I know that Jonah died? Easy.
"you proceeded to bring up my life" is the language of resurrection; but
there's more.
"But out of the pit you proceeded to bring up my life, O Jehovah my God."
The Hebrew word for "pit" sometimes indicates not only a literal hole in the
ground, but also the putrefaction that dead bodies undergo in the grave. For
example Psalm 16:10
"For you will not leave my soul in sheol. You will not allow your loyal one to
see the pit."
Peter applied that passage to Jesus Christ when he said:
"Moreover, even my flesh will reside in hope because you will not leave my
soul in hades, neither will you allow your loyal one to see corruption." (Acts
2:26-27)
According to the wisdom of Solomon, the dead are inactive in sheol and they
have neither knowledge nor wisdom; but Jonah had enough wits about him
in sheol to pray an intelligent prayer.
"I called out of my distress to Yhvh, and He answered me. I cried for help
from the depth of sheol; thou didst hear my voice." (Jonah 2:2)
The apparent contradiction between Solomon and Jonah is easy to resolve
when it's taken into consideration that the book of Ecclesiastes is inspired
philosophy, while the book of Jonah is inspired prophecy.
So then; people have a choice to make. Do they listen to Solomon the
philosopher or do they listen to Jonah the prophet? Abraham recommends
listening to the prophet. (Luke 16:27-31)
Q: You're saying Jonah went to hell?
A: Sheol/Hades essentially identify the afterlife world of the dead; both the
good dead and the bad dead. In point of fact, according to Luke 23:43
Christ's section of hades/sheol was a pleasant situation.
Q: People can pray their way out of sheol?
A: Jonah's circumstances were special. God commissioned him to go and
cry against Nineveh. Long story short, Jonah refused. However; God was
determined to change that man's mind even if He had to kill him to do it.
Well; again, long story short, God won and Jonah-- no doubt grumbling
every step of the way --finally marched off to Nineveh like he was supposed
to do in the first place. And best of all, Jonah's nautical experience became a
very valuable asset for people seriously interested in knowing what to expect
in the afterlife.
Q: So if New York City's sand hogs were to tunnel deep enough into the
earth they'd find sheol/hades?
A: The afterlife isn't physical; it's supernatural. So if the sand hogs were to
tunnel down to the bottoms of the mountains to find sheol/hades they would
fail because the supernatural world is non physical: viz: it cannot be
detected by sight, sound, smell, taste, or touch. In other words: their
tunneling machine could pass right through the very heart of the
netherworld and not even know it.
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Q: Doesn't the wisdom of Solomon say there is no activity or planning or
knowledge or wisdom in sheol? (Eccl 9:10)
A: When studying the book of Ecclesiastes, it doesn't take long to catch on
that his philosophy is based upon what can be seen through the eyes of
empirical evidence and human experience. In other words: Ecclesiastes is a
worldly view rather than a spiritual view. So, in order to obtain a spiritual
view of reality, one must resort to the revelations of an inspired prophet
rather than the reflections of an educated intellectual.
Jonah 2:1-7 is very tricky. There are actually three prayers mentioned in it.
One was prayed from the belly of the fish, one was prayed from the belly of
sheol, and one was prayed at the point of Jonah's death. Very tricky.
Long story short, Jonah said that sheol is at the bottoms of the mountains.
(Jonah 2:6)
The bottoms of the mountains are not located in the tummy of a fish; they're
located in the depths of the earth.
He also said "As for the earth, its bars were upon me for time indefinite."
(Jonah 2:6)
The bars of a fish are its ribs, the bars of the earth are its mantle.
What I'm getting at is: although sheol probably includes one's grave, it's not
limited to that because while Jonah's body was on ice in the fish's tummy,
he was imprisoned at the bottoms of the mountains.
Christ likened his experience to that of Jonah's.
†. Matt 12:40 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a
huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart
of the earth.
Christ's corpse wasn't buried in the heart of the earth. It was interred on the
surface of the earth. In point of fact, his grave wasn't even located in the
earth's soil: it was above the soil in a rock-hewn tomb. So then:
Was Jonah in the belly of a fish three days and three nights?
Yes.
Was Jesus Christ in the belly of a tomb three days and three nights?
Yes.
Was Jonah at the bottoms of the mountains?
Yes.
Was Jesus Christ in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights?
Yes.
The only possible means by which all the above could be true for both Jonah
and Jesus Christ, is if the men and their bodies parted company and went
separate ways when they died.
How do I know that Jonah died? Easy.
"you proceeded to bring up my life" is the language of resurrection; but
there's more.
"But out of the pit you proceeded to bring up my life, O Jehovah my God."
The Hebrew word for "pit" sometimes indicates not only a literal hole in the
ground, but also the putrefaction that dead bodies undergo in the grave. For
example Psalm 16:10
"For you will not leave my soul in sheol. You will not allow your loyal one to
see the pit."
Peter applied that passage to Jesus Christ when he said:
"Moreover, even my flesh will reside in hope because you will not leave my
soul in hades, neither will you allow your loyal one to see corruption." (Acts
2:26-27)
According to the wisdom of Solomon, the dead are inactive in sheol and they
have neither knowledge nor wisdom; but Jonah had enough wits about him
in sheol to pray an intelligent prayer.
"I called out of my distress to Yhvh, and He answered me. I cried for help
from the depth of sheol; thou didst hear my voice." (Jonah 2:2)
The apparent contradiction between Solomon and Jonah is easy to resolve
when it's taken into consideration that the book of Ecclesiastes is inspired
philosophy, while the book of Jonah is inspired prophecy.
So then; people have a choice to make. Do they listen to Solomon the
philosopher or do they listen to Jonah the prophet? Abraham recommends
listening to the prophet. (Luke 16:27-31)
Q: You're saying Jonah went to hell?
A: Sheol/Hades essentially identify the afterlife world of the dead; both the
good dead and the bad dead. In point of fact, according to Luke 23:43
Christ's section of hades/sheol was a pleasant situation.
Q: People can pray their way out of sheol?
A: Jonah's circumstances were special. God commissioned him to go and
cry against Nineveh. Long story short, Jonah refused. However; God was
determined to change that man's mind even if He had to kill him to do it.
Well; again, long story short, God won and Jonah-- no doubt grumbling
every step of the way --finally marched off to Nineveh like he was supposed
to do in the first place. And best of all, Jonah's nautical experience became a
very valuable asset for people seriously interested in knowing what to expect
in the afterlife.
Q: So if New York City's sand hogs were to tunnel deep enough into the
earth they'd find sheol/hades?
A: The afterlife isn't physical; it's supernatural. So if the sand hogs were to
tunnel down to the bottoms of the mountains to find sheol/hades they would
fail because the supernatural world is non physical: viz: it cannot be
detected by sight, sound, smell, taste, or touch. In other words: their
tunneling machine could pass right through the very heart of the
netherworld and not even know it.
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