Spanking children teaches discipline!

[annabenedetti]

would you agree, then, that undisciplined children may become sociopaths?

You know better. At least, I hope you do, or your student loans aren't doing you any good.

 

[ok doser]

then your answer is "no, undisciplined children may not become sociopaths"?

 

[annabenedetti]

then your answer is "no, undisciplined children may not become sociopaths"?

You know the clinical answer.

 

[genuineoriginal]

He's conflating undisciplined with unspanked. You can have well-disciplined children without spanking them. He doesn't think that's possible, but I know it's possible.

Well, I suppose one out of a million might become well-disciplined without spanking, but that is no reason to assume that the remaining 999,999 will do so, since history shows the opposite.

 

[ok doser]

You know the clinical answer.

i know that clinicians are unsure of the causes of sociopathy


so it's unprofessional of you to pretend that you know what doesn't

 

[Crucible]

You, of all people, should know

As opposed to you, who doesn't :wave:

 

[Arthur Brain]

Some people are sociopaths despite good parenting.
Your style of "parenting" creates sociopaths.
There is a big difference.

What the heck about anna's "style of parenting" 'creates' sociopaths exactly? Is this yet another bonkers posit to chalk up to you GO? Ok, rhetorical question...

There are thousands of years of history that proves there is no problem with people marrying when they are younger than the current arbitrary age of 18.
Your ignorance of the success of historical solutions to common situations is appalling.

There's no good reason at all in the present for anyone to be 'married off' whatsoever, let alone under the age of 18.

Then again, I'm talking to a guy who thinks people can train themselves to fall in love with napkins and dish cloths so why am I not surprised?

:dunce:

 

[Crucible]

He's conflating undisciplined with unspanked.

And you all conflate 'spanked' with 'abuse'- a method of parenting that worked remarkably well for thousands of years, and still does.

You can have well-disciplined children without spanking them.

If you are upper-middle class or better, or if you bribe or spoil your child, you won't have to worry about criminal delinquency.

But guess the upbringing a typical sociopath experiences, since [MENTION=17501]ok doser[/MENTION] has brought it up

 

[Arthur Brain]

And you all conflate 'spanked' with 'abuse'- a method of parenting that worked remarkably well for thousands of years, and still does.



If you are upper-middle class or better, or if you bribe or spoil your child.

And guess the upbringing a typical sociopath experiences

Yours?

:idunno:

 

[genuineoriginal]

guess the upbringing a typical sociopath experiences

one like this one?

Donatien Alphonse François, best known as Marquis de Sade, was born in Paris, France on June 2, 1740. His father was a diplomat in the court of Louis XV, and his mother was a lady-in-waiting. From the start, de Sade was raised with servants who flattered his every whim. Not long into his childhood, his father abandoned his mother, and his mother took refuge in a convent.

By the age of 4, de Sade was known as a rebellious and spoiled child with an ever-growing temper.​

 

[annabenedetti]

i know that clinicians are unsure of the causes of sociopathy


so it's unprofessional of you to pretend that you know what doesn't

You know that no clinician is going to agree with the idea that not spanking a child produces a personality disorder in that child.

 

[ok doser]

You know that no clinician is going to agree with the idea that not spanking a child produces a personality disorder in that child.

i suspect that lack of discipline can be a contributory factor

 

[annabenedetti]

one like this one?

Donatien Alphonse François, best known as Marquis de Sade, was born in Paris, France on June 2, 1740. His father was a diplomat in the court of Louis XV, and his mother was a lady-in-waiting. From the start, de Sade was raised with servants who flattered his every whim. Not long into his childhood, his father abandoned his mother, and his mother took refuge in a convent.

By the age of 4, de Sade was known as a rebellious and spoiled child with an ever-growing temper.​

:rotfl:

I've seen a lot of slippery slope fallacies around here, but this deserves some kind of an award. Don't spank your child, and he'll grow up to be the Marquis de Sade. :chuckle:

 

[annabenedetti]

i suspect that lack of discipline can be a contributory factor

You can suspect all you like, but it won't be in the DSM. And we're talking about spanking.

 

[ok doser]

You can suspect all you like, but it won't be in the DSM.

and what does the DSM5 say are the causes of psycopathy?

And we're talking about spanking.

which is a form of discipline :duh:

 

[annabenedetti]

Well, I suppose one out of a million might become well-disciplined without spanking, but that is no reason to assume that the remaining 999,999 will do so, since history shows the opposite.

There's no reason to assume your assertion has any basis in fact.

 

[Angel4Truth]

There's no reason to assume your assertion has any basis in fact.

Nope no reason at all to anyone who doesn't Trust God on it. Do you trust God anna?

 

[annabenedetti]

and what does the DSM5 say are the causes of psychopath?

I don't (or shouldn't) need to tell you what's in the DSM.

which is a form of discipline :duh:

You have do decide first whether or not there's discipline without spanking. To do that you'll have to break ranks with GO.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Don't spank your child, and he'll grow up to be a rebellious and spoiled child like the Marquis de Sade. :chuckle:

FTFY, and you are welcome

 

[ok doser]

I don't (or shouldn't) need to tell you what's in the DSM.

actually, you do

my free online access expired


but of course, we both know the answer to my question

You have do decide first whether or not there's discipline without spanking.

i've never argued otherwise

To do that you'll have to break ranks with GO.

then you can produce a quote from GO saying there's no discipline without spanking?

i'll wait