Jerry Shugart
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So Cornelius is a part of Israel despite the fact that the nation has been temporarily set aside?
ECT SO WHERE IS CORNELIUS NOW , IN THE KINGDOM OR THE B O C ??
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So Cornelius is a part of Israel despite the fact that the nation has been temporarily set aside?
You got it backwards. Eph 3:5 and 4:11 list 'apostles' before 'prophets'.
1Co_12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets...................
Eph 4:12 .......for the edifying of the body of Christ:
When Paul mentions 'prophets' in these verses, is he talking about OT prophets?
Read what you're reading.
Hi Jerry and many say that Israel was set aside :
#1 At the cross
#2 At Acts 7 , with Stephen
#3 At Acts 9
#4 At Acts 13
#5 At Acts 28:28
#6At 70 AD
But Israel was DOOMED from Mt Sinai as Isa 6 and Luke 13:6-9 and 2 Cor 3:13-15 and many other passages
Many are sign posts of what will happen to Israel and many read and will never believe that Israel has been set aside UNTIL Ron 11:25 and then in verse 26 all Israel will be saved !!
Nor only was Israel set aside , and the follow was also set aside , Repentance , Tongues , water Baptism , Prophecy and Gifts of Knowledge , Wonders in the Sky , in Acts 2:18-20 !!
dan p
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Many are part of Israel even though Israel has been temporarily set aside.
Was David part of Israel even though Israel has been temporarily set aside?
Was Jesus part of Israel even though Israel has been temporarily set aside?
The entire believing nation of Israel has a future resurrection into the land per Ezekiel 37.
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What do you think it matters if the word 'prophet' comes before or after the word 'apostle'?
You don't know that Paul is speaking about New Testament prophets?
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Jesus told his apostles that they could remit sins. The apostles to the Lamb had a unique calling.
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The blood of animals did not take away their sins but God told the people to do it for the forgiveness of sins. See Hebrews 9:22.
The sacrifice of animals made the people ceremonially clean.
Hebrews 9:13
For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that their bodies are clean,
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Jesus taught the Jews about entering the body of Christ when he walked the earth.
John 15:5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
John 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
It appears that it mattered to the author of sacred scripture.
Of course I know that he was speaking of prophets in the BOC. Perhaps you didn't.
musterion
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I think the question is best answered by asking, What was it Cornelius heard and believed when he was saved?
What did Cornelius learn from Peter?
He learned that Christ had died, was buried, and rose again. He learned that whoever believes on Him would receive remission of sins.
Peter wasn't even done speaking, hadn't gotten to the point of what he was preaching, when Cornelius started speaking in tongues.
Does that mean Peter preached Paul's gospel? No, because that wasn't the exact content Peter was sent to preach. But it is what Cornelius heard and believed at the point he was saved, and Peter's company was ASTONISHED by it...meaning they were not expecting it. Which means that was not, itself, the good news they had been sent to share, but it IS what was said at the moment Cornelius spoke in tongues.
Because of that, I believe he may be in the Body, which would make him and the others with him first, with this incident intended by God to set the stage for the Twelve's acceptance of Paul later on. Or, he may still have been counted among redeemed Israel.
The point is, he heard that Christ had died, was buried, and rose again, and that whoever believed on Him would receive remission of sins, which he clearly did believe and at that point he was saved.
Just my opinion, which may be wrong.
Jerry Shugart
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So do you now admit that you were in error when you wrote the following?:
Jerry Shugart
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Did Peter preach Paul's gospel here?:
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" (1 Pet.1:18-19).
And here?:
"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed" (1 Pet.2:24).
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They had to be CLEANED by doing various external washings and offering of animals.
The Gentiles did not do those things and they were called unclean.
I did not make an error.
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No it doesn't matter as you say it does.
As for the BOC, is that not church?
Well here is more proof that you preach falseness:
Acts 11:25 Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.
Barnabas was WITH PETER and then later went to look for Saul and for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught and were called Christians.
If Peter did not help Cornelius get into the Body of Christ, then how is it the meeting places were called 'church'?
I find that usually people assume that Paul was referring to OT prophets and if he had mentioned 'prophets' first before 'apostles' it would bolster their false assumption.
Does this verse refer to the BOC?
Act 19:32 Some therefore cried one thing, and some another: for the assembly was confused; and the more part knew not wherefore they were come together.
Hi and Steko is right on as EKKLESIA means ASSEMBLY !!
EK means OUT OF !!
KLESIS is KALEO and means A CALLING OUT !!
So , EKKLESKA means a called our ASSEMBLY or translated Congregation is acceptable !!
The books of Matthew to Revelation are written in Greek and NOT written in English !!
dan p
Satan is inchargeof the world, not Jesus.