Yeh, the human race can be pretty "advanced" when it comes to creative ways of causing suffering and death :vomit: This is unjustifiable....
anyway, how come on that thread you voted yes?! :chicken:
Should homosexuals be given the death penalty?
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Yeh, the human race can be pretty "advanced" when it comes to creative ways of causing suffering and death :vomit: This is unjustifiable....
anyway, how come on that thread you voted yes?! :chicken:
zoo22
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Yeh, the human race can be pretty "advanced" when it comes to creative ways of causing suffering and death :vomit: This is unjustifiable....
anyway, how come on that thread you voted yes?! :chicken:
:chuckle:
Actually, I went in and checked and I did cast the right vote
:chuckle:
Actually, I went in and checked and I did cast the right vote
As opposed to casting a stone then......
So it's perfectly okay for me to murder someone, and the government shouldn't be allowed to prosecute me, because I've already accepted God's grace?
The bottom line is that Jesus Christ died for our sins, not for our crimes. And though we may be under grace for our sins, and the Mosaic law is not applicable outside of Israel for purposes of a relationship with God, that doesn't mean most of the rules are not good rules to live by for other reasons. Nor does it mean that people, not just Christians, should go ahead and murder, steal, commit perjury, and/or adultery. It also doesn't mean that the law of the land, any land, shouldn't include "Do not murder, do not steal, do not commit perjury, etc." And I think we should all be able to at least agree on that much.
Now, for the "Christians" who are trying to say that sine we are under grace, we can't say that the death penalty should apply, how about we take a look at another quote from the man who wrote, "...you are not under law but under grace."
" So Paul said, 'I stand at Caesar’s judgment seat, where I ought to be judged. To the Jews I have done no wrong, as you very well know. For if I am an offender, or have committed anything deserving of death, I do not object to dying; but if there is nothing in these things of which these men accuse me, no one can deliver me to them. I appeal to Caesar.'"
Now, for the "Christians" who are trying to say that sine we are under grace, we can't say that the death penalty should apply, how about we take a look at another quote from the man who wrote, "...you are not under law but under grace."
" So Paul said, 'I stand at Caesar’s judgment seat, where I ought to be judged. To the Jews I have done no wrong, as you very well know. For if I am an offender, or have committed anything deserving of death, I do not object to dying; but if there is nothing in these things of which these men accuse me, no one can deliver me to them. I appeal to Caesar.'"
Is that it? Did I put an end to all of the arguments, or something?
Kimberlyann-
Would you like a more detailed elaboration, on why yes on some, and no on others? And maybe we can also get into what some of them are referring to, seeing as how the translations are not perfect, and also how the language used in some translastions is also different than the language used today [in regards to English].
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Hey Red
So assuming that Paul and the author of Leviticus are correct and God really does forbid Homo sex, is God unfair?
So assuming that Paul and the author of Leviticus are correct and God really does forbid Homo sex, is God unfair?
Why do you think it is called "sodomy"?
Certainly. But even as an atheist, I can scarcely see why God should be expected to be fair. "Fairness" is an impossible standard to uphold, and an undesirable one at that (a truly fair world is no world in which I would wish to dwell).
Justice, however, is an entirely different matter in which I find the God of the bible wholly and unforgivably lacking, though that bears little relevance to this discussion. I merely wished to note the existence of a firm difference between the qualities of justice and fairness.
It should also be known that crimes like murder and homosexuality and other sexual sins were wrong BEFORE the Law of Moses was given. A good sign that they are NOT symbolic.
Kimberlyann
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If you feel like elaborating, go ahead. But all I really want to know is how you decide what sins still deserve the death penalty.
Quincy
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ok, like we can all debate whether or not homosexuals are criminals till we turn blue. its a debate of personal morals and not a matter of state. you guys can go and outlaw it, but what is to stop homosexuals from moving to canada, where gay marriage is legal. or asia where homosexuality is often celebrated. perhaps i am the one that always takes the humanist/world perspective on most things but there are larger pieces to the puzzle here than what exist in the U.S.
its a desire that exist in almost all cultures other than fanatical muslim countries. its strictly prohibited and according to actual muslims i know something wrong. but to say homosexuality is something punishable, is to deny the very foundation of our country. this country was founded on religious tolerance and freedom. not limited tolerance, but tolerance. our forefathers knew that to get people to come here equal rights were necessity. same as equal opportunity workforce laws. u arent gonna get a a diverse crew picking christian americans.
the problem is, sadly most of you guys debating this don't know how it feels to be a minority. all you know is what u see and are surrounded by. ive lived in cities where i am the minority for being what u guys see as a majority. makes u rethink how u think and if reality is anything other than what u create. i just think that if u cant agree with someone go ur seperate ways. my mother always taught me if you dont have something nice to say, shut your fool trap son.
its a desire that exist in almost all cultures other than fanatical muslim countries. its strictly prohibited and according to actual muslims i know something wrong. but to say homosexuality is something punishable, is to deny the very foundation of our country. this country was founded on religious tolerance and freedom. not limited tolerance, but tolerance. our forefathers knew that to get people to come here equal rights were necessity. same as equal opportunity workforce laws. u arent gonna get a a diverse crew picking christian americans.
the problem is, sadly most of you guys debating this don't know how it feels to be a minority. all you know is what u see and are surrounded by. ive lived in cities where i am the minority for being what u guys see as a majority. makes u rethink how u think and if reality is anything other than what u create. i just think that if u cant agree with someone go ur seperate ways. my mother always taught me if you dont have something nice to say, shut your fool trap son.
Daniel50
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People born homosexual, say local school officials
The Montgomery County Board of Education in Maryland has accomplished what science and medicine have been unable to confirm, simply declaring in its newly approved school curriculum for children that some babies are born homosexual.
Activists are appealing the decision and former homosexuals are claiming discrimination due to the decision by the school board to pilot a controversial new sex education curriculum – against the advice of hundreds of practicing physicians in the county.
Developed by its own staff, the educational materials were given a test run in six schools in the county district at the 8th and 10th grade levels. Now they are supposed to be implemented in all schools soon.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56368
The Montgomery County Board of Education in Maryland has accomplished what science and medicine have been unable to confirm, simply declaring in its newly approved school curriculum for children that some babies are born homosexual.
Activists are appealing the decision and former homosexuals are claiming discrimination due to the decision by the school board to pilot a controversial new sex education curriculum – against the advice of hundreds of practicing physicians in the county.
Developed by its own staff, the educational materials were given a test run in six schools in the county district at the 8th and 10th grade levels. Now they are supposed to be implemented in all schools soon.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56368
lovemeorhateme
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Firstly, I agree with the post kmoney made on the matter.. regardless of repentance, the punishment still stands. That is the answer I would give. However, I didn't think about how it may apply to you or I.
I would say that if the death penalty were hypothetically implemented during or before the time in which we either of us lived a homosexual lifestyle, then if it were found out by authorities that we had committed such a crime, and they could prove it beyond reasonable doubt, then yes, we would both deserve the death penalty.
However, as it stands, I do not believe that either of us deserve the death penalty.. for God has forgiven both of us, and we do not apply the death penalty for this in our society.
Also, if the death penalty for homosexuality were to be brought in now, it should not apply for our past crimes, which happened before it was brought in.
lovemeorhateme
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lovemeorhateme
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The ''homosexual lifestyle'' is a choice. Absolutely a choice. Homosexual attraction is not a choice, that is one thing. However, to live a 'homosexual lifestyle' is completely down to choice, and one which I will never make again.
Can I ask you what you think causes homosexuality then? If you believe the attraction isnt a choice then what causes people to be gay?