Its not a sidestep at all, i support other people to have different meanings for different things, and you support telling others what they should believe based on how you see things.
Shooting at SC Church During Bible Study - Suspect still at large
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Its not a sidestep at all, i support other people to have different meanings for different things, and you support telling others what they should believe based on how you see things.
He doesn't seem to see that image of himself.
How many different ways do you honestly expect someone to parse a swastika or pair of lightning bolts?
Would you arrest or make it illegal to say such? If no why not?
Sorry. I tend to get my causes linked.
Me too!
I give Granite the authority to think of the Confederate flag any way he wants to.
Likewise, I would like to be given the authority to think of the Confederate flag any way I want to.
But as Stripe has tried to convey, the "flag" focus is misplaced.
The focus should be on the murderer, not a symbol.
Put the focus on the murderer, instead of the symbol, and most all division of what should be done to the murderer is left behind.
Focus on the actual problem (murder) and there is hardly any division at all.
Misplacing the focus causes division.
Stop misplacing the focus and we are united against a murderer.
How many different ways do you honestly expect someone to parse a swastika or pair of lightning bolts?
Doesn't matter. I support their right to it.
Very well said!
Which, again, isn't in dispute. You and Tambora are both ignoring the question I asked.
Your question is irrelevant to the issue. Completely.
I think, all this side bar aside, that an evil or criminally insane young man, whose life is effectively over one way or the other, choose the Confederate battle flag for the same reason the Klan is out in South Carolina defending it today. Because he understood what it stood for, what it had been brought back to front later in its life.
While no symbol or particular ignorance should be outlawed, it has no place flying over the seat of any government, being given any pretense of authority or nobility. Let it fly as a cautionary tale, a shameful reminder of a national disgrace, a flaw in our foundation that required a long and bloody war to right. Well, a war and a Constitutional Amendment made possible by it.
While no symbol or particular ignorance should be outlawed, it has no place flying over the seat of any government, being given any pretense of authority or nobility. Let it fly as a cautionary tale, a shameful reminder of a national disgrace, a flaw in our foundation that required a long and bloody war to right. Well, a war and a Constitutional Amendment made possible by it.
An "authority" that doesn't exist, and one that if did wouldn't be yours to grant or take away. Which again...no one has disputed.
Blathering of the Foreigner Know Nothing.
Because as we know granting murderous maniacs all the airtime they want and all the recognition they crave discourages others from following in their footsteps.
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Oh, it's just that simple! "Murder" is the only problem. Gather round, kids, check this out: Murder is bad!:jump:
Nothing else whatsoever to see here. Nothing to see.:carryon:
Murder is the only problem. All murders are hateful. If i murdered someone in your name, would it be your fault?
Oh stop. You do the same with many topics.
Of course we do.
But it is not one's symbol that we fight against, it is their actions (as it should be).
I'm sorry you big ol' teddy bear, but I don't let some fringe group of nuts decide for the rest of the world what a symbol HAS TO mean, just because they carry that symbol.
For instance:
The Klan carried symbols of the cross, the American Flag, the Christian flag, and the Confederate flag.
None of the symbols they use mean the same to them as they do to me. And I don't let THEM make the final decision of what those symbols should mean to me.
It would be stupid to think that anyone that has those symbols are a Klan member or a supporter of the Klan.
A person is free to think anything they want. And questioning the reasonableness of that thinking, when it leaves the noggin and enters the public square is reasonable. Likewise flying a symbol with a particular history.
He's wrong.
What hasn't been said about the murder or murderer that's known? And the outcome for him is already in motion, by process.
So why not examine the symbol he associated his racist rage with and its role in our society? Because it divides? So does faith.
Loads of atheists think the cross is a symbol of hate granite, think the american flag is a symbol of hate, etc..
Thanks for showing clearly you believe in forcing your opinion on others and banning that which you dont believe or agree.
Thats fascism.
Never encountered/read one. (If anything, some atheists regard the cross as a curious choice considering it's a symbol of torture and death, but oh well. Kinda like Jackie O wearing a rifle pendant, as one wag observed.)
The rest of your post is your typical tantrum nonsense. You've been on a real tear lately. Guess the whole denazification bit was a mistake on our part after the war.