Where did you get the idea that satan could make a covenant?
Oh, that's right, you got it from Sir Robert Anderson.
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Where did you get the idea that satan could make a covenant?
Oh, that's right, you got it from Sir Robert Anderson.
Interplanner
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It's very easy to do that Jerry. His ministry was the 1st half and the work of the Spirit and the apostles was the 2nd. that's 7 years, too. He confirmed it means to make it solid, fulfilled. It is the new covenant in his blood (cf the accounts of the last supper).
Most Reformation teachers had these ideas about Dan 9 until the Bretheren and D'ists of the mid 1800s.
The only reference to the leader of the 'rebellion that desolates' (of 8:13) is the last verse of 9, in which he ruins the temple and the city, or causes it to be ruined.
The material is very, very easily understood in terms of the Gospel events and then the DofJ at the end of that generation. It is not at all futurist as you know it.
Most Reformation teachers had these ideas about Dan 9 until the Bretheren and D'ists of the mid 1800s.
The only reference to the leader of the 'rebellion that desolates' (of 8:13) is the last verse of 9, in which he ruins the temple and the city, or causes it to be ruined.
The material is very, very easily understood in terms of the Gospel events and then the DofJ at the end of that generation. It is not at all futurist as you know it.
Interplanner
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There is no gap in the material. christ does not confirm a covenant again for 3.5 years. It is a coherent description of the 7 years of Christ's work and the start of the church. By some calculations it ends very close to the death of Stephen, which spread the church out all over.
Because Sir Robert Anderson wrote a book and said "he" refers to an antichrist, Jerry thinks an antichrist/satan can make a covenant with people.
Again, this is what Dispensationalism does to people.
Because they have to make the Bible fit the false teachings of John Nelson Darby, they have to make verses say things they don't.
A core belief of Dispensationalism/Futurism is the 70th week being a yet future event.
Jerry Shugart
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You show once again how ignorant you are. Just lately a man used DNA evidence to determine who the killer was and the person which the DNA lead to was the same person Anderson and Scotland Yard named as the killer more than one hundred years ago. Of course you are ignorant of the fact that Scotland Yard had an eyewitness to one of the murders and that eyewitness immediately identified Anderson's suspect as the killer.
Now that I got you here why don't you tell us why we should believe that the Jews who lived under the law could not be saved apart from works, especially when we consider what is said here:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (Jn.3:16).
That explains why the Lord Jesus could say this to the Jews who lived under the law:
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life" (Jn.6:63).
These things are so simple but they are way above your meager understanding because you put more faith in what some men say about the Scriptures than you do in what the Scriptures actually say!
So now it is time for you to run and hide from the truths found at John 3:16 and John 6:63.
Jerry Shugart
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Again, where is your evidence that the Lord Jesus ever made a covenant with anyone for seven years?
Once again your evidence comes from no other place than thin air.
Wikipedia says the following about your hero:
"However, overall direction of the murder enquiries was hampered by the fact that the newly appointed head of the CID, Robert Anderson, was on leave in Switzerland between 7 September and 6 October, during the time Chapman, Stride and Eddowes were killed."
Jerry Shugart
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The ministry of the Lord did not last seven years.
It doesn't say that Jerry.
It says He confirms the covenant for one week. It doesn't say the covenant lasts one week (7 years)
(Dan 9:27 KJV) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week....
Because you follow Darby and his protege Sir Robert Anderson, you add things to scripture in an attempt to make Darby's false teachings work.
Jerry Shugart
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Yes, because of poor health.
http://www.amazon.com/SIR-ROBERT-AN...eywords=sir+robert+anderson#reader_B008U4BPSO
That is not what he said but what do you care if you misrepresent his teaching. If it serves your purposes then the truth does not matter to you.
HINT:
(1 Kings 2:11) And the days that David reigned over Israel were forty years: seven years reigned he in Hebron, and thirty and three years reigned he in Jerusalem.
Whom did Sir Robert Anderson claim makes the covenant for seven years?
Jerry Shugart
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Even preterist author Kenneth Gentry says that the Hebrew word translated "confirms' means "make strong."
What covenant do you think that the Lord Jesus made strong for seven years?
The everlasting covenant?
Jerry Shugart
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Are you really so delusional that you think that refers to the length of the Lord Jesus' ministry?
It will not be long until they come and take you away!
The only covenant in the NT that was made is the New Covenant. There are no other covenants in the NT.
The fact that you think some antichrist can make a covenant is preposterous.
The typology is exactly what it refers to.
HINT #2:
(Gal 1:18) Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
Jerry Shugart
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The New Covenant could not even be in effect until His death. But if you are right then you have the New Covenant being confirmed three and one half years before the Cross!
As usual you are confused!
Jesus' ministry was seven years.
The covenant was confirmed during the ministry.
Jesus was cut off half way through his ministry.
usted es tan confuso
Jesus' seven year ministry:
3.5 years - Baptism to crucifixion
.5 years - Resurrection to the blinding of Saul/Paul
3 years - Jesus personally teaches Paul
3.5 years - Baptism to crucifixion
.5 years - Resurrection to the blinding of Saul/Paul
3 years - Jesus personally teaches Paul
Jerry Shugart
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One of the meanings of the Hebrew word translated "covenant" is "treaty."
The New Covenant could not be "made strong" until the Cross.
You bore me to death so I am going to hit the sack.