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This is important. Please think about it. Paul is comparing the old and the new. Now please tell me, what is the faith about?
Rebuttal of the dreadful doctrine of reprobation
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This is important. Please think about it. Paul is comparing the old and the new. Now please tell me, what is the faith about?
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I will prove it to you that it is about the ceremonial works.
Tell me, did Abraham obey God?
Let's take this slow, but I want you to understand so please answer and I will have another question right after that.
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Abraham obeyed through faith.
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Abraham obeyed EVERYTHING that God commanded.
Abraham also was the first to be circumcised.
Circumcision is a WORK.
It is a seal and evidence that he belonged to God.
Paul speaks of CIRCUMCISION when he speaks of Abraham, and works.
Paul separates doing what is right and being circumcised.
Abraham Justified by Faith
4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”
9 Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised.
Do you understand now?
The WORK is circumcision.
Circumcision for what?
For a sign and a seal.
It is about GOD JUSTIFYING us.
Justifying?
Right.
There were works that the Jews had to do to JUSTIFY themselves before God.
Those works BEGAN WITH CIRCUMCISION.
Now through Jesus' shed blood on the cross, we do not have to justify ourselves, for Jesus will justify us, just by our believing his blood cleans us of the sins we repent of doing. That is HOW GOD JUSTIFIES US. We no longer have to justify ourselves/make ourselves clean by doing certain WORKS.
Abraham also was the first to be circumcised.
Circumcision is a WORK.
It is a seal and evidence that he belonged to God.
Paul speaks of CIRCUMCISION when he speaks of Abraham, and works.
Paul separates doing what is right and being circumcised.
Abraham Justified by Faith
4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”
9 Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised.
Do you understand now?
The WORK is circumcision.
Circumcision for what?
For a sign and a seal.
It is about GOD JUSTIFYING us.
Justifying?
Right.
There were works that the Jews had to do to JUSTIFY themselves before God.
Those works BEGAN WITH CIRCUMCISION.
Now through Jesus' shed blood on the cross, we do not have to justify ourselves, for Jesus will justify us, just by our believing his blood cleans us of the sins we repent of doing. That is HOW GOD JUSTIFIES US. We no longer have to justify ourselves/make ourselves clean by doing certain WORKS.
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Circumcision is the beginning of the PURIFICATION/ceremonial works the people used to have to do to justify themselves before God.
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What does Abraham obeyed through faith even mean? Abraham had faith AND Abraham obeyed.
The point is that Abraham obeyed EVERYTHING THAT GOD TOLD HIM TO DO.
Circumcision is a work! Circumcision does not make one evil or not it is just a work. God commanded it so NOT DOING THE CIRCUMCISION was a sin because God commanded to do it. Not getting circumcised is not like an evil person who commits adultery, but it is LIKE committing adultery only in the way that it breaks a command from God.
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I will prove it to you some more.
I just proved it to you that the work Paul was speaking of when he spoke of Abraham was circumcision.
Now we can go to the Galatians and see to that the works that do not save is circumcision.
Anytime Paul says not of by works, it is about circumcision.
Circumcision is the first thing any Jew accomplishes.
It is the sign and the seal. It is a purification work.
The Gentiles were called UNCLEAN because they were not circumcised.
Since they were not circumcised, they could not even take part in the Passover, or any of the festivals.
They were dead in their sins, for they did not clean themselves by adhering to a dietary law either.
They also did not do various external washing and offer the blood of animals.
I just proved it to you that the work Paul was speaking of when he spoke of Abraham was circumcision.
Now we can go to the Galatians and see to that the works that do not save is circumcision.
Anytime Paul says not of by works, it is about circumcision.
Circumcision is the first thing any Jew accomplishes.
It is the sign and the seal. It is a purification work.
The Gentiles were called UNCLEAN because they were not circumcised.
Since they were not circumcised, they could not even take part in the Passover, or any of the festivals.
They were dead in their sins, for they did not clean themselves by adhering to a dietary law either.
They also did not do various external washing and offer the blood of animals.
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Acts 10:28 He said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile.
Acts 11:3
and said, "You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them."
John 18:28
Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.
Genesis 17:14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."
Exodus 12:48 "A foreigner residing among you who wants to celebrate the LORD's Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it.
Joshua 23:7 Do not associate with these nations that remain among you;
Ezekiel 44:7
In addition to all your other detestable practices, you brought foreigners uncircumcised in heart and flesh into my sanctuary, desecrating my temple while you offered me food, fat and blood, and you broke my covenant.
Acts 11:3
and said, "You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them."
John 18:28
Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.
Genesis 17:14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."
Exodus 12:48 "A foreigner residing among you who wants to celebrate the LORD's Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it.
Joshua 23:7 Do not associate with these nations that remain among you;
Ezekiel 44:7
In addition to all your other detestable practices, you brought foreigners uncircumcised in heart and flesh into my sanctuary, desecrating my temple while you offered me food, fat and blood, and you broke my covenant.
Calvinism is the fruit of the Reformation, and is both the fundamental teaching of the Bible and reversal of the centuries of heresy that the Catholic Church built upon it.
You all are the false denominations
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Calvinism is rotten fruit; the bane of all Christendom.
lifeisgood
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Hardly,gt. Simply by stating that you OBEY PERFECTLY you're lying.
I am sorry, gt, but you are NOT speaking God's Truth.
lifeisgood
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NOT what James was talking about, gt.
You are an EXPERT in changing subjects.
You probably do not even remember what the subject was.
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Only in YOUR Bible.
:nono:
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Only those commands? How about ALL of the commands? Perfectly. Every single day from the first day of your life to the end of your life as you OBEYED God BEFORE you saved yourself by presenting the works of your hands which have been rejected already, so have mine.
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Not your interpretation of James.
lifeisgood
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Murdering my neighbor? Stealing from my neighbor? :idunno:
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Again, bringing false testimony as I have answered every single question you have asked me.
I guess you’re just blew one of the commandments, gt.
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You, gt, skirt the answer, but answering.... nah!!
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Remember James 2:10-11
Have you OBEYED at least Matthew 11:28, yet?
PROPER FAITH in the CORRECT OBJECT will produce proper works.
PROPER WORKS will NEVER produce proper faith.
The correct object is Jesus Christ and His finished work on that Cross of Calvary and NOT your obedience.