God's Truth
New member
1 John 2:4 Whoever says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.
Rebuttal of the dreadful doctrine of reprobation
- Thread starter Sonnet
- Start date
God's Truth
New member
What do you think?
God's Truth
New member
You haven't disproved anything that I said. Those scripture prove what I aay.
Sonnet
New member
I made clear argument from scripture that shows Paul was talking about all of the law. If you are going to rebut what I posted then it would require more than just what you have said here.
Sonnet
New member
v.5
Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them."
GT - what are 'these things'?
God's Truth
New member
Are you kidding? What don't you get about Jesus coming to earth to MAKE A NEW COVENANT?
When Jesus came to earth, he gave the commands and guidelines for the NEW COVENANT, and then he shed his blood for the NEW COVENANT.
Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Paul says he is a MINISTER of a NEW COVENANT, and that it is THE MINISTRY/COVENANT of the SPIRIT.
Romans 11:27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
2 Corinthians 2:12
[ Ministers of the New Covenant ] Now when I went to Troas to preach the gospel of Christ and found that the Lord had opened a door for me,.
God's Truth
New member
Read and study all the things the Jews had to do just to worship God:
The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.
Sonnet
New member
Sonnet
New member
I see things are getting pretty destitute around here having to interact with god's truth.
Don't believe a word she says.
If she posts a picture of herself I'll take her off ignore. Maybe.
Sent from my iPhone using TOL
God's Truth
New member
I already dealt with your post. What don't you get about the purification/ceremonial laws are the WORKS no one has to do anymore? Who has fooled you so completely that you think God nailed obeying Him to the cross? Who has fooled you so deeply that you cannot see the MANY scriptures saying to obey, and even WARNING US?
What don't you get about Jesus giving us a NEW COVENANT?
God's Truth
New member
Yeah you know I got a sword and know how to use it.
God's Truth
New member
Go ahead and ask it again, and I will try again to explain. Maybe ask it another way, or explain better.
Sonnet
New member
God's Truth
New member
Just ask it again and explain better then.
Sonnet
New member
v.5
Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them."
What are the 'these things' Moses refers to? Paul quotes Moses from Leviticus 18:1-5:
The Lord said to Moses, “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord.
The laws and decrees Moses refers to would include all those he has previously written about and those he specifies here - laws regarding sexual practice.
God's Truth
New member
Right, and? They will live by obeying God.
Sonnet
New member
You argued that the references to 'works of the law' are about ceremonies - but Paul, speaking about salvation through faith rather than the law in Romans 10, quotes Moses regarding this 'righteousness that is by the law'. Moses SPECIFICALLY says:
"Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord."
He (Moses) then goes on to cite laws about sexual practice.
So Paul is referring to all the law - he is saying that salvation will not come through establishing ones righteousness through this law - rather, one does so through faith.
God's Truth
New member
The whole law goes together. The old law had many commands of what not to do, and what to do, and then there were the purification/ceremonial laws. A person had to refrain from sinning, do right, and they had to make themselves clean. That is the works we no longer have to do. The good news is not that we no longer have sexual laws to obey. Jesus came and gave us the commands for the new covenant, and those commands also were about sexual sins we were not to do, and about not stealing, etc.
Tell me, what exactly do you think we have to have faith of? Maybe then you will see how you are misunderstanding Paul.
Sonnet
New member
You can't have understood the point I was making. You say that Paul, referring to Abraham's salvation by faith rather than works (Romans 4) is not a reference to the law in general but the laws regarding ceremonies - but Paul specifically makes this law of works a reference to all the law by quoting Moses as I have shown.
I am saying you are wrong to limit 'works of the law' to 'ceremonies of the law'.