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OSAS

"Once saved always saved?" - A book by Theologian Davis Pawson. Hodder & Stoughton -ISBN 0-340-61066-2 I believe he is still alive.

It has been about 20 years since I read it. Which is correct ? The 'standard calvinist view' or the 'standard Arminian view' ?

I still do not know;I suspect neither. To Quote Spurgeon from his sermon 1516 (not literally), there seems to be a paradox of verses in the Bible. Pawson's book puts about 66 arguments for NOT OSAS - not saying he is right.

However I doubt there will ever be a sensible debate until the Calvinist vs Ariminian squabble comes to an end. Will it come to an end? Not until Calvinist stop putting words into other Christians mouths.

You are right Mr AMR, I don't like having words not mine forced onto me, hence I generally do not like Calvinism. But, like Catholicism, Lutherism, Orthodox...and the rest. That does NOT default me into standard Calvinist Armianism ( which isn't Armianism anyway).

 

[George Affleck]

These are some of the major theological problems with Calvinism:

Calvinism denies man’s free will to obey or disobey God, which is the basis of man’s responsibility and accountability, as taught by the Bible: (Gen. 4:6-7; Deut. 11:26-28; 30:11-15, 19; Josh. 24:15; Jer. 38:20; Eze. 18:30; Acts 17:30-31);

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BTW - I quoted Scripture in abundance for each point. Simple, pithy verses, though I would not call them jejune.

Thanks

 

[glorydaz]

Calvinism denies the conditional security of believers or the possibility of falling away from the faith as taught by the Bible (Matt. 24:13; Jn. 15:6; Acts 11:23; Acts 13:43; Acts 14:22; Rom. 8:13; Rom. 11:20-21; 1 Cor. 9:27; Heb. 2:1-3; Heb. 10:26-31; 2 Pet. 2:20-21);

Looks to me like you're falling for some errors of your own.

 

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Yes, but he does not make him into a corpse in the first place (the Bible teaches).

 

[zzub]

Looks to me like you're falling for some errors of your own.

No, I did not write those verses. They are ALL in the Scriptures. Go check.

 

[glorydaz]

No, I did not write those verses. They are ALL in the Scriptures. Go check.

I know what they are....even better, I understand what they're saying.

 

[zzub]

The Calvinist majors on being dead in transgression and sin, using this as analogy. Yet the Bible also says "So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Yet the Calvinist carries on sinning though being dead to it!

 

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I know what they are....even better, I understand what they're saying.

Join the club. The Christian club word-wide that is. Catholic, Lutheren, Eastern Orthodox, many variants of Protestantism.....

Christians have no need of one liner snarky put-downs.

 

[glorydaz]

No, I did not write those verses. They are ALL in the Scriptures. Go check.

Christians have no need of one liner snarky put-downs.

Oh, like this one?

 

[zzub]

Looks to me like you're falling for some errors of your own.

Forgot to mention. Unlike the calvinist, I know I am not perfect.

Seems to be something in your eyes

 

[zzub]

Oh, like this one?

Even better.

 

[glorydaz]

Forgot to mention. Unlike the calvinist, I know I am not perfect.

Seems to be something in your eyes

Is that what Calvinists think?

Looks to me like false humility on your part. I've seen this before.

 

[zzub]

So, who are you going to trust ? Christ, or calvinism ?

 

[zzub]

Is that what Calvinists think?

Looks to me like false humility on your part. I've seen this before.

What calvinists think? My guess it is what they write, say, publish etc. Just a humble assumption.

Please tell me what they think if it is different to what they write, say, publish etc.

If you have time please illuminate why they think different to what they write, say, publish etc, if that is what you are alleging.

Thanks

 

[glorydaz]

So, who are you going to trust ? Christ, or calvinism ?

I'm sure the Calvinist, like the Arminians, trust Christ.

Are you ready to actually say something with substance?

 

[glorydaz]

What calvinists think? My guess it is what they write, say, publish etc. Just a humble assumption.

Please tell me what they think if it is different to what they write, say, publish etc.

If you have time please illuminate why they think different to what they write, say, publish etc, if that is what you are alleging.

Thanks

Stop the snark.

I haven't seen them preach they are perfect any more than other believers who say they are Perfect IN CHRIST JESUS.

You need to get an axe you can actually grind.

 

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As a bonus, tell us where you saw this before!

But please prioritise why they don't think what they write, say, publish etc.

To be honest I don't think you are going to give a sensible answer, just some corny one-liners.

 

[zzub]

Stop the snark.

I haven't seen them preach they are perfect any more than other believers who say they are Perfect IN CHRIST JESUS.

You need to get an axe you can actually grind.

Sure. I'll stop the snark even if you do not.

Is God the author of evil ?

Does man (and woman) have responsibility for there own sin or did God predestinate them to sin in the first place and then send them to hell for what he (God) ensured happened ?

I think not. I believe not. The Bible teaches not.

My axe (well ground at that) is with those who say the opposite of what the Bible, the WHOLE Bible clearly teaches.

Yes, anyone can cherry pick a few verses and build them into a dogma. Hence I said "the whole" Bible.

 

[zzub]

Sorry, missed this one.

I'm sure the Calvinist, like the Arminians, trust Christ.

Are you ready to actually say something with substance?

Yup